tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post113909672999056513..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: Fisking Russel NormanTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-84575697700783062562008-08-26T17:00:00.000+12:002008-08-26T17:00:00.000+12:00Zenith Applied Philosophy were pretty noticeable i...Zenith Applied Philosophy were pretty noticeable in Christchurch in the 70s and 80s. I used to bus past the "centre of the universe" in Clyde road. The less government less taxes campaign met there. At one point there was an unfortunate death where a group of members were wearing wetsuits and spending many hour in a suana (possibly fasting as well). I don't know what it was about - except they needed to do this to get to the next level of some particularly weird ZAP course. Anyway one of them collapsed and and no one else was willing to assist for fear of failing the course, and the person died. That is how I recall it. This was written about at the time by one of the news papers of the day. Possible The Press, or Sunday Times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139451350973058432006-02-09T15:15:00.000+13:002006-02-09T15:15:00.000+13:00Rafe, i think most good libertarians would like to...Rafe, i think most good libertarians would like to eliminate socialism, just as most good doctors would like to eliminate cancer.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139392473968968492006-02-08T22:54:00.000+13:002006-02-08T22:54:00.000+13:00and you're PROUD of that??how can any of you call ...and you're PROUD of that??<BR/><BR/>how can any of you call yourselves libertarians when you want to effectively eradicate and silence a political philosophy?Rafe Copelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906335809545037223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139359500964006182006-02-08T13:45:00.000+13:002006-02-08T13:45:00.000+13:00Wow man, this is wicked investigative journalism! ...Wow man, this is wicked investigative journalism! Its like your putting all the pieces together and we can all just SENSE the excitement as we get closer to outing the conspiracy. This blog's sort of got the "I'm getting closer and closer to the truth" feel of that film "The Pelican Brief". Or that other one JFK (except that we are on the goodies side this time, bloody commies should all have been shot I say).<BR/><BR/>Can't you just feel that guy Norman Russell (what a pinko name, Norman) trying to squeeze out of the questions, just WITHERING under the HEAT, the heat coming from your neck that is... Jeez he will wish he never tried hard to learn new ideas at university, he should have just stuck to what his parents told him (you know, the Maaries are bloody lazy, the Asians are stealing our jobs, and so on).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139305315744287572006-02-07T22:41:00.000+13:002006-02-07T22:41:00.000+13:00How can you fucking dare to call someone an immora...How can you fucking dare to call someone an immoral, socially bankrupt person just because they worship a different ideal than you? Just because they don't tend to agree with "trevor-loudon's-so-bloody-great-and-all-the-goddam-commies-should-be-shot-so-that-my-public-profile-increases-and-i-get-payed-more-ism" doesn't mean that they are morally, philosophically and mentally inferior to you. However your speed at which to jump to this assumption does incidentally pass comment on your moral soundness. Try to understand that you aren't the only person who can understand the word 'politics' and that your interpretation of a perfect society is not the right one and that just because you realise that your brain can do some thinking at times doesn't mean you're special in any way. Frankly, you're moral trash. Grow up and leave the school playground.Rafe Copelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906335809545037223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139199305528966412006-02-06T17:15:00.000+13:002006-02-06T17:15:00.000+13:00Zenith Applied Philosophy, or ZAP, is a wacky fasc...Zenith Applied Philosophy, or ZAP, is a wacky fascist cult that existed in Christchurch in the 80's and 90's (May or may not still exist today, I'm not sure).<BR/><BR/>For a time, they were involved with a fascist political party called the Nationalist Workers Party, that was led by prominent Nazi Kerry Bolton (See the following 3 URL's for more on Bolton: http://www.fightdemback.org/2004/12/02/kerry-bolton/<BR/>http://www.fightdemback.org/2005/05/07/nf-no-nazis/<BR/>http://www.fightdemback.org/2005/05/24/bolton-ib-fielding/<BR/>).<BR/><BR/>Eventually, Bolton expelled ZAP from the NWP for being too nutty, even for him!Asherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01782227406470450089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139188257716688382006-02-06T14:10:00.000+13:002006-02-06T14:10:00.000+13:00What is Zenith Applied Philosophy?What is Zenith Applied Philosophy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139182718389679552006-02-06T12:38:00.000+13:002006-02-06T12:38:00.000+13:00It would be interesting to hear your responses to ...It would be interesting to hear your responses to those questions Trev, since you seem to go into the pasts of lots of people but you don't talk much about your past.<BR/><BR/>I'd be interested to know more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139140808670477662006-02-06T01:00:00.000+13:002006-02-06T01:00:00.000+13:00I think he's done enough Trev. Why don't you answe...I think he's done enough Trev. Why don't you answer the questions about your links to the fascists and the nutso New Zeal mag?<BR/><BR/>Where are the answers Trev?<BR/><BR/>Have you ever been a member of, or associated with, ZAP - Zenith Applied Philosophy? What was your involvement?<BR/><BR/>Were you aware of the association between ZAP and the fascist Nationalist Workers Party?<BR/><BR/>When did you last have contact with the people associated with ZAP?<BR/><BR/>Do you think that fascism had something postive to offer the world?<BR/><BR/>Do you believe that the holocaust happened?<BR/><BR/>Is your blog “New Zeal” named after the magazine of the same name published in the late 1980s by the Campaign for a Soviet Free New Zealand? What was your invovlement in the New Zeal magazine?<BR/><BR/>Did you agree with the New Zeal editorial of April 1989 connecting Ron Trotter, the Todds and the Business Roundtable with pro-Soviet and pro-Stalinist activities such as leading business delegations to the USSR, and having other business connections such as selling “Stalinist oil”? Do you still think that the Business Roundtable is a communist front group?<BR/><BR/>Did you agree with the July 1989 edition of New Zeal when it accused the Young Nats of being “Marxianised” because they were addressed by a member of NZ Planning Council?<BR/><BR/>Do you still believe that being a member of the NZ Planning Council makes one a Marxist, and if so does that mean that Don Brash is a closet marxist because he was a member of the Planning Council?<BR/><BR/>If Ron Trotter, Don Brash, the Todds and the Business Roundtable are all part of the communist conspiracy, then what the hell planet are you on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139126042541564242006-02-05T20:54:00.000+13:002006-02-05T20:54:00.000+13:00Trevor,Russel seems to have addressed your questio...Trevor,<BR/><BR/>Russel seems to have addressed your questions (leading you to ask a few follow-ups), but since you opened this Pandora's box, I think it's only fair to try to answer his.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>MattMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15386173718259597328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139117694263421112006-02-05T18:34:00.000+13:002006-02-05T18:34:00.000+13:00Still waiting for you to answer Russel's questions...Still waiting for you to answer Russel's questions to you about your links to the fascist ZAP'ers Trev!Asherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01782227406470450089noreply@blogger.com