tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post116795027845538122..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: Mike Gourley and the Disabled RevolutionTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168259026423197382007-01-09T01:23:00.000+13:002007-01-09T01:23:00.000+13:00"if your party ever emerges from below the margin ..."if your party ever emerges from below the margin of error"<BR/><BR/>You clearly have no understanding of how polling works.<BR/>Which would provide a pretty good explanation of your own party's current fortunes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168229438685503622007-01-08T17:10:00.000+13:002007-01-08T17:10:00.000+13:00I'll let the disabled make up their minds about th...I'll let the disabled make up their minds about the glittering array of ACT policies awaiting them if your party ever emerges from below the margin of error.<BR/><BR/>Yes, along with a number of other people I have sometimes been mistaken about various historical figures. I've made public comments about that; if you havn't seen them that's too bad. I'm not answerable a blogger who suddenly squeaks about gay repression in between his "poofter" jokes. You can read our take on the Nepalese revolution in forthcoming issues of our press.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168207555299151322007-01-08T11:05:00.000+13:002007-01-08T11:05:00.000+13:00Don- ACT has many policies that will benefit disab...Don- ACT has many policies that will benefit disabled people-lower taxes, school choice, welfare devolution, lower rates bills, better industrial legislation, reduction of red tape etc.<BR/><BR/>We don't target the disabled per se, we treat people as NZers, some of whom may happen to have disabilities.<BR/><BR/>I am proud to say that ACT's 2 MPs were the only one's to vote against sign language being made NZ's third official language.<BR/><BR/>Rodney fronted up to the deaf Assocation who queried the vote.<BR/><BR/>He made it very clear, that special legislation for special groups does nothing to advance their cause.<BR/><BR/>Re your good self.<BR/><BR/>You supported Mao and Stalin well after their crimes were well known. Now your Workers Party is supporting the anti-gay, Nepalese Maoists.<BR/><BR/>I have seen no public apology for the earlier mistake.<BR/><BR/>I await your repudiation of the Nepalese Maoists.<BR/><BR/>As a principled man, I'm sure you won't keep me waiting long.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168162059259617912007-01-07T22:27:00.000+13:002007-01-07T22:27:00.000+13:00Trevor - there is no need for a coma in the first ...Trevor - there is no need for a coma in the first phrase of the penultimate sentece of your last post on this thread. <BR/><BR/>Neither is there any need for your blog in this universe, or any other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168161145565114412007-01-07T22:12:00.000+13:002007-01-07T22:12:00.000+13:00Cheeky!? Step up for the prize lad.Untill you can ...Cheeky!? <BR/><BR/>Step up for the prize lad.<BR/><BR/>Untill you can prove that Mike Gourley is actually ghetoising disabled people in any way and <BR/><BR/>Untill you offer disabled people a real alternative apart from empty windy ACT rhetoric. <BR/><BR/> If Mike Gourley ever said that disabled people constitute a class then he's wrong, but I doubt that he ever did. More likey just another ACT invention,<BR/><BR/>What practical policy does your party have on this issue? <BR/><BR/><BR/> ps<BR/><BR/> I have never "worshiped" anything except Jesus Christ when I was a small boy you know nothing real about me despite your little lists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168159629589400422007-01-07T21:47:00.000+13:002007-01-07T21:47:00.000+13:00You're a cheeky sod Don.You've supported totalitar...You're a cheeky sod Don.<BR/><BR/>You've supported totalitarian dictarships most of your adult life and then act like you're some kind of friend of the worker.<BR/><BR/>Tell that to the Chinese and Russian peasants who suffered under Mao and Stalin who you worshipped for many years.<BR/><BR/>Mike Gourley, who I have met, has also supported some form of Marxism for most of his life (as least as late as 5 years ago) and most likely still does. <BR/><BR/>Ghettoising disabled people by making them even more state dependent than they are now, is a shameful thing to do.<BR/><BR/>It hasn't worked for any other marginalised people and it sure as hell won't help the disabled.<BR/><BR/>What the disabled need, as everyone else needs, is not to be treated as a "class", but as individuals.<BR/><BR/>We are all, better off in a free society, where we can all gain maximum independence and live by our own ideals.<BR/><BR/>The collectivist, "identity politics" approach of Mike Gourley and his comrades is a complete dead end.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168158143417303372007-01-07T21:22:00.000+13:002007-01-07T21:22:00.000+13:00OK what have we got here - three different issues....OK what have we got here - three different issues. And three bone dry theoretical assertions.<BR/><BR/>Trevor chooses to equate the struggle for and right to necessary requirements for disabled people with the dead end of idendity politics, with nothing more than his own assertion to see him home.<BR/><BR/>Next, we've established that the only reson for Mike Gourley to be plunked in Trevor's little village green stocks for retribution is the guy's past politics; in other words the proof is another arid ACT asserstion.<BR/><BR/>Last, and least, we have a series of superficial political labels purporting to be some sort of track record tracing my political behaviour. Ever since I realised who was screwing who I've operated politicaly on the side of low paid workers. What's the inconsistency?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168156927980909232007-01-07T21:02:00.000+13:002007-01-07T21:02:00.000+13:00DonI have major issues with the whole "disabled ri...Don<BR/><BR/>I have major issues with the whole "disabled rights" movement, which is socialist in itself.<BR/><BR/>It is "identity politics", similar in principle to the indigenous rights, childrens rights, gay rights etc etc etc, all of which are counterproductive to those they profess to help.<BR/><BR/>I think Gourley is a "good" advocate, just that his politics lead him in entirely the wrong direction.<BR/><BR/>BTW, you were a Stalinist-Maoist, then a Maoist, then a triple oppression type, then a Trot, now you're in a pParty that blends Trotskyism and Maoism.<BR/><BR/>Some consistency.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168150580881107552007-01-07T19:16:00.000+13:002007-01-07T19:16:00.000+13:00Well Trevor I'm not answerable to you or your blog...Well Trevor I'm not answerable to you or your blog, but I believe I've demonstrated resonable political consistency since 1972.<BR/>Now, getting on to the issue at hand, which you side stepped. You have no beef at all with Mike Gourley other than he was a trot for a few years. So what. <BR/>If you really have nothing better to do with your time than try to trash the guy as a bad advocate for the disabled, go away and rustle up a few hard facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168073043309898142007-01-06T21:44:00.000+13:002007-01-06T21:44:00.000+13:00Steve-Eh?Don-Spoken like a true Trot, or is it Mao...Steve-Eh?<BR/><BR/>Don-Spoken like a true Trot, or is it Maoist, or is it Stalinist?<BR/><BR/>Even I have trouble keeping up with your ideological schizophrenia.<BR/><BR/>Kate-Yes a bit unfortunate that the productive Mike Gourley has such a lefty namesake.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168072669223621632007-01-06T21:37:00.000+13:002007-01-06T21:37:00.000+13:00Imagine the indignation suffered then by the real ...Imagine the indignation suffered then by the real Mike Gourley <BR/><BR/>http://www.hsnz.co.nz/content/company/people/auckland/michael.asp<BR/><BR/>Frequent ACT volunteer and good mate of one Richard Prebble.Cactus Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136331420768264938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168065915725856402007-01-06T19:45:00.000+13:002007-01-06T19:45:00.000+13:00I had a look at this blog today because I couldn't...I had a look at this blog today because I couldn't believe it when someone told me it took the CPUSA seriously.<BR/>I now see that that political naivity is the least of your time wasting inanity. <BR/>I know Mike Gourley well enough to know that he's a decent bloke, that he describes himself (and behaves) as a left social democrat these days and that he's quietly gone about doing a ton of worthwhile stuff for other people. He therefore becomes a prime target for ACT leaders. No wonder you creeps are forever wallowing in the margin of error.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1168061436738938822007-01-06T18:30:00.000+13:002007-01-06T18:30:00.000+13:00Dear Trev,How extremely rich of you to mutter abou...Dear Trev,<BR/><BR/>How extremely rich of you to mutter about actively sought victimhood !| <BR/><BR/>It's you guys who plaintively position yourselves, and presumptuously the rest of the world also, as "victims" of everything. Everything which doesn't meet your twisted, so right-wing as to verge on fascist, template. Which of course includes democracy when its outcome delivers other than your thrill. <BR/><BR/>Nga Tamatoa commies ? Please ! What do you say about world heroes like Mother Theresa and Nelson Mandela ? Dirty commies I guess. <BR/> <BR/>Did you have a sad childhood man ? Well get over it, get a life mate and grow up ! <BR/><BR/>What does Rodney think ? Bet he's not pleased. He's into stroking Epsom grey/mauve/pink/blue rinse and even those old girls find your stuff a bit taxing. <BR/><BR/>Your rave does put people off quite simply. And please don't con yourself you're the only one in the army not out of step - oh, correction - you and fibertarian extraordinaire Lindsay Perigo. <BR/><BR/>No one's champing at the bit to live on the moral/social/political fringe yet that's exactly where we'd be if we bought your cold war warrior nonsense. You're sooo outrageous Trev !<BR/><BR/>Ka Kite !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com