tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post2679219621259616416..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: Obama-file 18 Will Obama Be the Communist Party's "People's President"?Trevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-51206671116686103442008-07-30T18:15:00.000+12:002008-07-30T18:15:00.000+12:00Obama will CHANGE USA into USSAObama will CHANGE USA into USSAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-15084100331532302342008-07-12T23:30:00.000+12:002008-07-12T23:30:00.000+12:00Bill and Mike and I have been friends since the SD...Bill and Mike and I have been friends since the SDS days of the 1960s--although Mike and I bitterly opposed the Weatherunderground nonsense back then when it counted. All that is well known to those who care about such things. What's silly is the notion that any of us shape the politics of Barack Obama. Nor are we members of DSA, the outfit throwing the dinner in question. Obama has real mentors close to him in plain sight, some tough liberal African American women, but you ignore them just to make a spurious 'connection' with something you can pin the label 'Marxist' one. PitifulCarl Davidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00215874972566616424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-3269494185354673832008-07-12T19:28:00.000+12:002008-07-12T19:28:00.000+12:00Here we are again with the "gosh and gollies" rout...Here we are again with the "gosh and gollies" routine from this crowd. Gee, Carl, why don't you talk a little about your background? It would give some context to this presentation of the nearly defunct organization that throws a dinner once a year... Make sure you mention your recent relationships with Bill Ayers and Mike Klonsky.<BR/><BR/>The truth will set you free...Spitfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784033984348471740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-53248359669597649002008-06-22T13:53:00.000+12:002008-06-22T13:53:00.000+12:00Just because its "Change" doesn't mean its good.If...Just because its "Change" doesn't mean its good.<BR/><BR/>If we don't pay attention we will "change" our way into communism :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-20418870189861274002008-06-19T08:21:00.000+12:002008-06-19T08:21:00.000+12:00This article is silly, especially to anyone who kn...This article is silly, especially to anyone who knows anything about Chicago politics and its left wing.<BR/><BR/>I've been involved in this scene for decades, and know it as well as anyone, even though I recently moved back to my home town.<BR/><BR/>Take out the spin words about how 'significant' the CPUSA is as a player, and there's not really anything here.<BR/><BR/>Actually, to my mind, it would be nice if it were true, and the left did have the clout this piece suggests. But alas, we don't come close. Maybe someday.<BR/><BR/>The pictures do reveal a truth, though. The CPUSA in Chicago, less than 100 in a city with half-a-million voters in the last election, are largely in that age bracket, save for a few youngsters in Pepe's group. DSA is in worse shape; when it calls a meeting, less than a dozen show up. It does have a nice mailing list that allows in to a a dinner once a year.<BR/><BR/>These groups are far outnumbered by the far left groups, maybe 10-to-1, which means they aren't very big either. Once problem, though--almost all of them militantly opposed Harold Washington, Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama and every other Democrat, and still do.<BR/><BR/>Frank Lumpkin is a very nice guy, and has a terrific record sticking up for the steelworkers, both now and when there were a lot more on them. But he hardly controls his own alderman, let alone any bigger fish.<BR/><BR/>I'm often touted as Obama's 'Marxist Mentor,' which is also a joke. Obama is a decent liberal out of the Alinksky tradition of community organizers. Everyone knows there's nothing Marxist about Alinsky. I'm simply an acquaintance of Obama, meeting him three times for a few minutes over 15 years. If he even remembers my name, it's as the guy who bugged him, as state senator, to spend more money on afterschool programs. But you'd never know it from the breathless 'exposes' on the right wing of the net.<BR/><BR/>Chicago does have some tough, independent liberals, going back a long time, as well as a strong Black nationalist and civil rights movement. That's funny part about this piece. It's so intent on its imaginary players, that it completely misses the real players. <BR/>Harold Washington's movement, for instance, was launched by Black nationalists and independent Black Deocrats, hardly 'connected' to the socialist left. Obama really does have mentors, but certainly not me or an old CP Black poet who he knew as a kid. Its to very tough, accomplished, influential and smart Black liberal women, Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice.<BR/><BR/>But you don't have a clue here. Your 'exposer' is so determined to chase Marxist bogey men, that he throws sand in your eyes about what's really happening.<BR/><BR/>I'm trying to get people to vote for Obama, but certainly not because he's a socialist. <BR/><BR/>Obama is a 'high road' industrial policy capitalist and multipolar globalist--just read his Cooper Union speech a while back. Clinton is a garden-variety corporate liberal capitalist, which got her on the board of Walmart for years. And McCain is a US hegemonist and an unreconstructed neoliberal capitalist--'state all evil, market all good'--that kind that says 'We're in business to make money, not steel, so we'll gut these plants and speculate in oil futures, and the workers and towns be damned.' In other words, the ones who 'cut taxes' by putting everything on the China Visa card and got us into this mess.<BR/><BR/>Actually, truth be told, Obama's brand of capitalism is best for productive businesses, as opposed to speculators, and does least harm to the working class. That doesn't mean we can't press him to be better at it, as in promoting and building infrastructure for new green businesses and green jobs for youth. All those solar panels and wave and wind turbines have to be built somewhere by someone.<BR/><BR/>But my work with 'Progressives for Obama' ( http://progressivesforobama.blogspot.com ) is completely independent of his campaign. We want it that way, mainly so we can criticize him. And we don't care if he 'distances' himself from us, either, because it's really not about us. We don't ever actually endorse him or his platform. We simply say he's the 'best option,' and that we'll have to continue our movements no matter who is in the White House.<BR/><BR/>In any case, a major change is taking place in our country. we're hopeful, especially about a chance to end the horrible war in Iraq, but the future is still open, not under anyone's thumb.Carl Davidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00215874972566616424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-17604155951529598702008-06-09T00:05:00.000+12:002008-06-09T00:05:00.000+12:00ALLThe organizations mentioned herein have indeed ...ALL<BR/>The organizations mentioned herein have indeed succeeded. Mr. Obama now has the Dem Nomination in hand and the Left Organization to make the presidency.<BR/>The US electorate has no idea of the backing Mr. Obama has.<BR/>G.. Help Us.<BR/>endAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-9519665613732339562008-04-09T00:16:00.000+12:002008-04-09T00:16:00.000+12:00Amazing, everything is "rhetoric" to liberals if i...Amazing, everything is "rhetoric" to liberals if it isn't about vilifying America and its way of life. <BR/><BR/>I think the article is well composed and presents plenty of facts (those things in italics.. yea.. those are quotes.. ) The only thing I would have done differently is present the quotes a bit clearer as to who is making them and where the information came from. <BR/><BR/>You know as a libertarian that any time you face the left you have to have a giant book of facts down to every last detail, whereas they can simply make things up and use "hope" and "change" and everyone bows to them as their masters. Hypocrites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-57696116569596020572008-03-09T17:09:00.000+13:002008-03-09T17:09:00.000+13:00Facts would be nice when someone states such stron...Facts would be nice when someone states such strong rhetoric as this with out them it's just opinion and rumors which this is and it hurts everybody .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com