tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post8155704418599283133..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: Muriel Flays Maori PartyTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-27455224757081548392009-11-25T00:36:27.812+13:002009-11-25T00:36:27.812+13:00I grant you Lisa G, I am (not) clever......I ther...I grant you Lisa G, I am (not) clever......I therefore need your assistance with this.<br /><br />Is there a relationship between "bodelicious",and "crodelicious" ?. <br /><br />Could you demonstrate please ?Steve Nice Guy Northlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-69426201163923549002009-11-24T09:42:11.305+13:002009-11-24T09:42:11.305+13:00hi Sam - you're conceding others (whoever) wer...hi Sam - you're conceding others (whoever) were here fist and Maoris inherited NZ - history started 600 years ago (period). [And of course, you assume no violence by Maoris occurred to force this inheritance, right?] <br /><br />Regardless, even if you are correct: what does the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi mean? I thought Maori leaders agreed to accept British rule, didn't they? <br /><br />Or is it they really do want to own NZ now that all the development work has been done by British and other immigrants who turned NZ into the lovely country she is today? <br /><br />That is what is seems since it is written as their political party goals: to re-negogiate Treaty of Waitangi! (buyers remorse for 150 years?!) <br /><br />If we all live under British rule "now", should we all play by the "same" rules / laws as "New Zealanders"? <br /><br />If so, then I still want to know why do 15% of the population (Maoris) deserve all sorts of free stuff & extra special treatment? Isn't that "reparations" and will it ever end?<br /><br />Don't the rest of us deserve a better treatment? <br /><br />How about British (or other) descendents getting land/sea etc because they are the ones who actually developed NZ? <br /><br />... just some suggestionsLisa G in NZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726078658954265756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-47595213807171365922009-11-23T18:27:57.720+13:002009-11-23T18:27:57.720+13:00The claim to the seabed and foreshore is based on ...The claim to the seabed and foreshore is based on documented unrelinquished previous ownership, not "we were here first".<br /><br />Just like anybody else who inherits something.<br /><br />Mad conspiracy theories about Celtic discovery simply don't cut it in the real world. I once heard some loony claimthe Chinese discovered New Zealand - so what? Are we going to hand the country over to China on that basis?<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />SamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-28201973035741090052009-11-21T09:50:07.704+13:002009-11-21T09:50:07.704+13:00Steve, I'm sure you don't mean little ol&#...Steve, I'm sure you don't mean little ol' me. <br /><br />Je suis American and quite bodalicious by the way (as in 70s slang meaning awesome or sweet).<br /><br />Is your ugliness you have nothing to add to the discussion and you are in sitting in a corner having a random tantrum?Lisa G in NZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726078658954265756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-2692890751438209902009-11-20T23:08:15.911+13:002009-11-20T23:08:15.911+13:00Oh God ! We've got a classic Ugly American in...Oh God ! We've got a classic Ugly American in our midst......Steve Nice Guy Northlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-46260642552718602362009-11-20T15:12:51.191+13:002009-11-20T15:12:51.191+13:00Sam B - Just trying to clarify, Maori party was fo...Sam B - Just trying to clarify, Maori party was formed just 5 years ago in 2004 based on the concept of they own NZ land and sea because they were "here first"? <br /><br />Is this correct? <br /><br />Maori, in past few decades or longer, argue treaty of Waitangi isn't fair and European rule/the crown "stole" their land/sea? <br /><br />Is this correct?<br /><br />Well if I'm following the historical research so far which is being hidden(?), Celts (or others) were here first and Maoris killed them all off... umm, so the land wasn't theirs to start with.<br /><br />Is that correct?<br /><br />Eg if Celts (or others) were in NZ first, this blows the "we're here first" argument out of the water (or land) ... eh?Lisa G in NZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726078658954265756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-56523257779756661462009-11-20T14:26:00.218+13:002009-11-20T14:26:00.218+13:00"what is the actual point of having a NZ poli..."what is the actual point of having a NZ political party only based on race?"<br /><br />It isn't based on race - it has Pakeha members. It's based on culture, in much the same way that the Labour party had its roots in European labour struggles, in British political traditions and uses the English language.<br /><br />Actually, the Maori party has adopted a great deal from both Maori and Pakeha traditions, so maybe it should be called The Real Kiwi Party?<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Sam BuchananAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-34635239092835266242009-11-20T11:20:23.429+13:002009-11-20T11:20:23.429+13:00I m waiting for you.
Watch your back
From Timor wi...I m waiting for you.<br />Watch your back<br />From Timor with love<br />A Portuguese.<br />Communist :)Komuna Timornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-59109304404430825662009-11-20T08:57:19.374+13:002009-11-20T08:57:19.374+13:00Hmm, good link to Celt history - fascinating Celts...Hmm, good link to Celt history - fascinating Celts may have been in NZ first! <br /><br />This could really change NZ history ... so I could understand why Maori's would want to block it. Definitely would put the old kibosh on their reparation claims, eh. <br /><br />So are Celts then due reparations or shore & seabed rights? <br /><br />Interesting stuff!Lisa G in NZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726078658954265756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-60902247447567372902009-11-19T15:22:33.541+13:002009-11-19T15:22:33.541+13:00Yes, the indigenous people of the Chatham Islands....Yes, the indigenous people of the Chatham Islands...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-71530913018364447402009-11-18T16:13:53.448+13:002009-11-18T16:13:53.448+13:00The "Maorioris"? Good grief!The "Maorioris"? Good grief!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-83462759184259276192009-11-18T13:15:57.172+13:002009-11-18T13:15:57.172+13:00Steve, methinks you are trying way to hard to be c...Steve, methinks you are trying way to hard to be clever. <br /><br />What does having a Mulatto temporarily in the White House have anything remotely to do with what a political group based only on race is up to this week? <br /><br />The complaint is still colonialism? Well, if "everyone" agrees reparations were already given to Maoris, but they will NEVER be happy, what to do?<br /><br />Is the conclusion all non-full-blooded Maoris leave NZ? <br /><br />We all cut ties and say, sorry, you're right, colonialism sucks, we're sorry, toodle loo...<br /><br />Wait... Maorioris. They should be the only ones to stay then... <br /><br />Crap, we all have to leave...<br /><br />You firstLisa G in NZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726078658954265756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-49247761880968197212009-11-18T10:46:05.097+13:002009-11-18T10:46:05.097+13:00I appreciate that Muriel Newman will express as sh...I appreciate that Muriel Newman will express as she does. She's ACT and therefore dispositionally unable to acknowledge the enduring cruelties of colonialism. <br /><br />That is ACT.....live in a fantasy world of construct equation and bugger the human beings left in the wake of the "pretty" equation. An unabashed abuse of "idealism" and quite immature really. <br /><br />Far worse however is the ludicrous commentary of the social retards, silly old Trevor Loudon amongst them, who've fallen over in nausea and worse at that unreliable cow Democracy installing a black man in the White House.<br /><br />Well....suffer on you mugs !Steve Nice Guy Northlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-40414757757991708122009-11-17T18:51:07.233+13:002009-11-17T18:51:07.233+13:00Since the Celts were hear first there should be a ...Since the Celts were hear first there should be a celtic party.Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-88650729513956512862009-11-17T14:34:17.518+13:002009-11-17T14:34:17.518+13:00Thanks for this.
Very interesting. I keep wond...Thanks for this. <br /><br />Very interesting. I keep wondering why there aren't other ethnic parties in NZ? Why isn't there an Indian Party, Chinese Party, Samoan Party, Tongan Party, Irish Party, Ethopian Party, etc... (ok, u get my drift)...<br /><br />Have a party based on race is very odd to me and seems separatist? <br /><br />Dr. Muriel's article seems spot on.<br /><br />But let's pretend she isn't correct. If she is so off base, what is the actual point of having a NZ political party only based on race?Lisa G in NZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02726078658954265756noreply@blogger.com