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Sunday, March 16, 2008


If you want to know what's in the about to be released edition of Investigate magazine, here's a teaser.

From Nevil Gibson-National Business Review Editor's Blog

The latest exposé on the SIS has largely gone unnoticed – Bernard Moran and Trevor Loudon’s account in Australia’s National Observer of Drivers Union member John Van de Ven, who joined the Socialist Unity Party and in 1983-84 attended a high-level indoctrination course at the Lenin Institute in Moscow.

But unbeknown to his fellow Kiwi communists, Mr Van de Ven had already been recruited by the SIS (over a desire for personal revenge) and provided it with inside information on the burgeoning anti-Anzus ‘peace’ movement.

Moran and Loudon interviewed Van de Ven before he committed suicide in 1992 (for reasons not associated with his undercover work) and learned of the Moscow course’s strategy to pull a social democratic country out of the Western alliance.

This objective was achieved in New Zealand as the ‘peace’ movement successfully won over Labour Party and wider public opinion, resulting in the Lange government leaving Anzus and passing anti-nuclear legislation.

The methods were classic subversion: to influence but not lead (in Van de Ven’s words) “in such a way that the top people in the various peace groups were seen as reasonably responsible by the average New Zealander.”

How did the Soviets covertly influence the New Zealand Labour Party? How did the Soviets make Kiwis think our anti-nuke policies were our own idea? What role did the Socialist Unity Party play in this exercise?

Check out the latest Investigate for the answers to these questions and more.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Van de Ven sounds like he needed his head read.

9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lobbying goes on all the time.

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The anti nuclear movement had been strong in this country a long time before Van De Ven came into play. There were major protests in 76 and 78 during the visits of US nuclear powered ships. By the time he came into politics public opinion was already 78% against nuclear powered ships entering our waters.

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Van was quite a nice guy. But the thing about the SUP was their consistent economism. Insofar as they had anything to do with the antinuclear movement they put a brake on it. Anyone who was active in that area at the time knows that well.

8:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now come on people! This is a site dedicated to conspiracy theories ok! Leave that factual stuff to the commies.

11:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about writing about the chinese army in tibet killing protestors trev? helen clark is supporting china and sill wants a free trade deal with em

2:29 PM  
Blogger Sam Buchanan said...

Is it possible that New Zealanders might have decided an anti-nuclear position was a good idea in itself, regardless of whether or not it suited the mad Marxists?

Or do you think Kiwis are so thick they only do things when they have been programmed by Moscow?



6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anything that suits the mad marxists is bad for NZ Sam.


8:14 AM  
Blogger Sam Buchanan said...

"Anything that suits the mad marxists is bad for NZ"

Gosh, that makes life easy, doesn't it? All we have to do is watch what the Marxists do and do the opposite. So China has joined the WTO, so we should quit. China bans trade unions so we should encourage them. China has an export-led economy so we should aim for self-sufficiency.

Hmmmm.... maybe you have something there.



9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it possible that New Zealanders might have decided an anti-nuclear position was a good idea in itself, regardless of whether or not it suited the mad Marxists?

Doesn't the possibility that some of those people "deciding" were actually being manipulated from Moscow, make you feel a little uneasy? If there is any truth in this, New Zealanders should be very very angry.

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a mute point really, to go pointing the finger at the Soviets, when in reality once Chernobyl happened, only Trevor Loudon and about 3 other of his SIS mates were for the idea of fission powered vessels bringing their crap within blast range of this country.

11:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chernobyl was an example of what happens when the state runs nuclear power.....amoungst other things.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know of about a hundred people that immigrated here from Europe directly after Chernobyl, families in tow because they had heard this country was nuclear free. Unfortunately they arrived just prior to another nuclear meltdown....Rogernomics.

Many of them that came here to jobs, but shortly after found themselves out of work along with the other 80 or so thousand people made redundant during that time.

8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One doesn't necessarily have to be thick to be programmed,Sam B,although it sometimes helps.(depending on the nature of the programming)However,programming does work,witness repetitive television advertising,and in a country where an opinion on any kind of sporting event is largely all that's required of Joe Average,is it that surprising that those who know how to "program" people would not use their skills,particularly with an emotive issue and a small population at their disposal?

3:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"and in a country where an opinion on any kind of sporting event..."

Or dancing with the stars competition...

10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh my, fruit loops at it again ...

10:39 PM  
Blogger BigGirlsBlouse said...

For goodness sake. This obsession with Marxism is just ridiculous. The real evil doer is Ian Wishfart and his crap filled magazine. No wonder Karl Marx hated religion. It turns people into nutbars.

5:48 PM  

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