tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post113920008135389792..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: Trevor Loudon Replies to Russel NormanTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139392971072614182006-02-08T23:02:00.000+13:002006-02-08T23:02:00.000+13:00This Randy rationalism is all rather amusing, but ...This Randy rationalism is all rather amusing, but I'd have to agree with PsychoMilt.<BR/><BR/>It's called silly to tilt at windmills when there are better things to do with your life.<BR/><BR/>It's called nutty to keep tilting when the windmills are long gone.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>MattMatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15386173718259597328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139378540904412622006-02-08T19:02:00.000+13:002006-02-08T19:02:00.000+13:00Mr Milt. Socialism still exists - it's everywhere....Mr Milt. Socialism still exists - it's everywhere. The length of the battle between freedom and socialism is irrelevant - it is still going on. <BR/><BR/>Thus it holds that if it were right to fight it 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, it is still the right thing to do to fight it now. Just as an appeal to the majority does not make something moral or right, the fact that something has existed for a long time also does not make it right.<BR/><BR/>For Trevor to abandon the fight against socialists simply because he's a bit older now would be entirely irrational. <BR/><BR/>So once again you support my case rather than yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139376115430469992006-02-08T18:21:00.000+13:002006-02-08T18:21:00.000+13:00Willie, Trevor's an old guy who's still fighting t...Willie, Trevor's an old guy who's still fighting the wars of his youth. If that constitutes "reason" for you, I'm glad you think I'm a stranger to it.Psycho Milthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00779500926576047736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139361507099069302006-02-08T14:18:00.000+13:002006-02-08T14:18:00.000+13:00and how many blogs do you run?and how many blogs do you run?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139361310821507282006-02-08T14:15:00.000+13:002006-02-08T14:15:00.000+13:00Trev: "I was thinking of banning some of the types...Trev: "I was thinking of banning some of the types who persist in making false allegations on this and other Blogs"<BR/><BR/>which is funny thing for a libertarian to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139354650001286712006-02-08T12:24:00.000+13:002006-02-08T12:24:00.000+13:00Mr Milt, you calling Trevor a "loony" is rather od...Mr Milt, you calling Trevor a "loony" is rather odd.<BR/><BR/>If knew what you are talking about you would realise that Trevor's philosophy is built on an objective reality and as a consequence - reason.<BR/><BR/>Leftist commie pinko's (words from your own mouth) on the other hand, refute reason in it's entirety.<BR/><BR/>"How do we know whats right and wrong". "Right and wrong is relative". "Yes, what your saying is logical, but you have to realise there is no logic in society". "You can't objectively observe humanity". Etc etc, so on and so forth with the rest of the nonsense that spews forth from statism's hideous mouth.<BR/><BR/>Someone who rejects reason - as you do - by definition is a loony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139344123024102432006-02-08T09:28:00.000+13:002006-02-08T09:28:00.000+13:00I was thinking of banning some of the types who pe...I was thinking of banning some of the types who persist in making false allegations on this and other Blogs. I am loathe to do it because the more they squeal, the louder I laugh. What should I do? What do the sane people think?Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139305190539086592006-02-07T22:39:00.000+13:002006-02-07T22:39:00.000+13:00Rafe said:"have some decency, compassion and respe...Rafe said:<BR/>"have some decency, compassion and respect for those people who also live in the world"<BR/><BR/>Rafe also said:<BR/>"He (Rodney Hide) looks like a fattened guerilla when he walks down the street. I look at him and think "Ak-47 toting koala bear" "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139304800237566632006-02-07T22:33:00.000+13:002006-02-07T22:33:00.000+13:00I struggle to see what is wrong with an organisati...I struggle to see what is wrong with an organisation hiring marxists. Firstly I believe that your classification of people as marxist is wanton and mostly unbased. Secondly, every person is entitled his or her own opinion, and for you to classify an organisation as evil because some people within it are marxist. Just remember that Senator McCarthy died a slow, highly painful death at a young age - and that's what comes over being a political zealot hell-bent on driving an opposing political school of thought into the bloody dust.<BR/><BR/>Shame on you, have some decency, compassion and respect for those people who also live in the world which obviously revolves around you.Rafe Copelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906335809545037223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139300819506557632006-02-07T21:26:00.000+13:002006-02-07T21:26:00.000+13:00I would have thought being a member of a "sect" wi...I would have thought being a member of a "sect" with him would have been an association.<BR/>My mistake then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139296498295781062006-02-07T20:14:00.000+13:002006-02-07T20:14:00.000+13:00Anonymous, I asked Trevor if he had known Kerry in...Anonymous, I asked Trevor if he had known Kerry in my first question, not if Kerry was a member of the group, Bolton being a member of a group/sect doesn't mean he knows and has had associations with every member there.Tory Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344290171496651426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139294048619067062006-02-07T19:34:00.000+13:002006-02-07T19:34:00.000+13:00Shit Trev, that's a slam dunk if ever there was on...Shit Trev, that's a slam dunk if ever there was one, well done! <BR/><BR/>Asher, if you had the Newspaper to upload you would have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139289661244801832006-02-07T18:21:00.000+13:002006-02-07T18:21:00.000+13:00Ed,You asked if Kerry Bolton was involved, Trevor ...Ed,<BR/>You asked if Kerry Bolton was involved, Trevor replied that he was not, you then went on to mention that he was a member of ZAP.<BR/><BR/>Are you calling Trevor a liar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139289313491077082006-02-07T18:15:00.000+13:002006-02-07T18:15:00.000+13:00"I've been pretty tolerant with you guys, but that..."I've been pretty tolerant with you guys, but that has now finished. Either put up or shut up. An undocumented article on Fightdemback is proof of nothing. I will say it for the final time. There have never been any contacts between Bolton, myself, any organisation I am affiliated to, any of my friends or colleagues, any member of my family etc. Zilch, Zip, Zero. Unless you can find some real evidence, which you will not because it doesn't exist, kindly desist from making defamatory accusations on this or other Blogs, I also expect retractions to be posted on any Blogs or other fora where any of you have published any allegations of links between me, my friends, affiliates etc and Kerry Bolton. Do I make myself clear boys?"<BR/><BR/>I have made no accusations against you, I've asked two questions, I have made no statements to the effect that you have ties with facists and bigots. 'Zilch, Zip, Zero'.Tory Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344290171496651426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139287914288347472006-02-07T17:51:00.000+13:002006-02-07T17:51:00.000+13:00Asher,If you are going to make claims substantiate...Asher,<BR/><BR/>If you are going to make claims substantiate them, I despise the way claims are made about people on blogosphere then not backed up.<BR/><BR/>Put up or shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139286293982805392006-02-07T17:24:00.000+13:002006-02-07T17:24:00.000+13:00anonymous: Trev said that he'd quit ACT if there w...anonymous: Trev said that he'd quit ACT if there was any proof of a link between ZAP and the Nationalist Workers Party.<BR/><BR/>I have mentioned an article in the newspaper which documented the link. If you still feel like denying it Trev, I could scan it in and upload it.Asherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01782227406470450089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139281032012727472006-02-07T15:57:00.000+13:002006-02-07T15:57:00.000+13:00To Asher, Ed and AnonymousI've been pretty toleran...To Asher, Ed and Anonymous<BR/>I've been pretty tolerant with you guys, but that has now finished. Either put up or shut up. An undocumented article on Fightdemback is proof of nothing. I will say it for the final time. There have never been any contacts between Bolton, myself, any organisation I am affiliated to, any of my friends or colleagues, any member of my family etc. Zilch, Zip, Zero. Unless you can find some real evidence, which you will not because it doesn't exist, kindly desist from making defamatory accusations on this or other Blogs, I also expect retractions to be posted on any Blogs or other fora where any of you have published any allegations of links between me, my friends, affiliates etc and Kerry Bolton. Do I make myself clear boys?Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139272185576010212006-02-07T13:29:00.000+13:002006-02-07T13:29:00.000+13:00Yes cos you can believe everything those FDB guys ...Yes cos you can believe everything those FDB guys say-<BR/><BR/>"Their former leader, Kyle "the chipmunk" Chapman has gone completely off the deep end and into full survivalist mode.<BR/><BR/>Kyle is currently hatching plans to relocate himself, his twenty-six children and five ex-wives to a bunker somewhere in the foothills of the Southern Alps."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139271890079742392006-02-07T13:24:00.000+13:002006-02-07T13:24:00.000+13:00"Therefore, Trevor, it looks like you'll be quitti..."Therefore, Trevor, it looks like you'll be quitting ACT pretty soon, right?"<BR/><BR/>Why the fuck would he do that?<BR/>He's standing for VP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139271369706897212006-02-07T13:16:00.000+13:002006-02-07T13:16:00.000+13:00And there was also an article in The Dominion (or ...And there was also an article in The Dominion (or perhaps The Evening Post, I can't remember for sure) about ZAP being kicked out of the NWP.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, Trevor, it looks like you'll be quitting ACT pretty soon, right?Asherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01782227406470450089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139269622056892192006-02-07T12:47:00.000+13:002006-02-07T12:47:00.000+13:00this article states Zenith Applied Philosophy is l...<A HREF="http://www.fightdemback.com/2004/12/02/kerry-bolton/" REL="nofollow">this article</A> states Zenith Applied Philosophy is linked to the Nationalist Workers Party, the forerunners to the National Front.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139262113656461982006-02-07T10:41:00.000+13:002006-02-07T10:41:00.000+13:00Tremendous response Trevor!Attacks like that from ...Tremendous response Trevor!<BR/><BR/>Attacks like that from statists of Russel's ilk are disgusting. You delivered falsafiable evidence of his associations with communism and he responded by spinning out vaguely definable assertions and straw men left right and center.<BR/><BR/>On one hand I find it amusing and on the other hand it infuriates me how the left and the right slander the free market with slothful accusations of fascism when the free market is the antithesis of fascism.<BR/><BR/>For those who are reading who are not familiar with the free market and libertarianism: The premises of libertarianism are that there is an objective reality and such a thing as knowledge, human life carries the ultimate value and the initiation of force is always wrong. <BR/><BR/>The right and the left have no such premises and if you've ever got the feeling the politicians are inconsistant - that's why. The modus operandi of fascism is that human life is expendable and that force is fine so long as a few intellectual elites assert that it is. Exactly the same evil as socialism.<BR/><BR/>This episode between yourself and Russel reminds me of a video debate from the 80's I saw recently titled "Socialism vs Capitalism; Which is the more moral system?". <BR/><BR/>Arguing for socialism there was a feminist and some other academic whose area of investigation I forget. <BR/><BR/>Making the case for capitalism was an economist and Leonard Peikoff. <BR/><BR/>It was hillarious stuff because the socialists (obvisouly not understanding the *real* politics of freedom) had prepared to argue against conservatives. First Peikoff put together the moral arguments for capitalism for the audience and when Peikoff tore conservatism to pieces as socialism in different colours the socialists were stumped. <BR/><BR/>Thereafter the socialists discussed the matter of how Peikoff's mother may or may not have cleaned his shirts when he was young and were ad nauseam slandering Peikoff as a fascist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139261448010864312006-02-07T10:30:00.000+13:002006-02-07T10:30:00.000+13:00Was Kerry Bolton an anomoly in the Zentih Applied ...Was Kerry Bolton an anomoly in the Zentih Applied Philosophy group, if so, why was he allowed entrance?<BR/><BR/>"Contact is regular, ongoing and enjoyable and involves a wide range of activity."<BR/><BR/>Did Kerry Bolton not involve himself in the activity?Tory Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05344290171496651426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139254458192352142006-02-07T08:34:00.000+13:002006-02-07T08:34:00.000+13:00Ed I have never met Kerry Bolton, or had any deali...Ed I have never met Kerry Bolton, or had any dealings with him indirectly or directly. $5,000 to your favourite charity if you can prove otherwise, I regard the man as a nutter. Can I make myself any cleare?Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1139248495263431032006-02-07T06:54:00.000+13:002006-02-07T06:54:00.000+13:00You write: " we should cut trade ties to that coun...You write: " we should cut trade ties to that country until it becomes a civilised nation." Who is "we"? Do you mean that individuals should just choose to stop trading or do you mean that the state should prevent trade? You are not clear on that. And did you oppose sanctions against the uncivilised nation of South Africa under apartheid? I happen to believe free trade in both cases does more to encourage civilisation. But it sounds as if you are not a supporter of free markets internationally unless you approve of both trading partners. <BR/><BR/>Personally I think that if you want to see the end of the communist regime in China the fastest way of doing that is to increase your trade thus expanding the private sector there. But then I don't associate with extremists like Alan Stang who you obviously spoke of with some fondness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com