tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post115189520177449857..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: VUWSA President, Nick Kelly, Nice Chap, Shame About the Marxism-LeninismTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1152060204289010572006-07-05T12:43:00.000+12:002006-07-05T12:43:00.000+12:00anonymous - Nick might be a nice guy but that's no...anonymous - Nick might be a nice guy but that's not the point.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that every student is forced to join and pay money to VUWSA and then Nick claims to speak on behalf of all students. this is totally unrealistic.<BR/><BR/>Student associations are supposed to represent their members. If a student doesn't want to join or be represented, he should just be able to choose not to join. He shouldn't have to "get involved" to change a system which is designed to lock in compulsory membership.<BR/><BR/>Outside tertiary institutions if you don't like an organisation you don't join it in the first place. You're not forced to join it and then told to "get involved" and turn it into the type of organisation you'd be happy to join.<BR/><BR/>This is a key element of freedom of association.<BR/><BR/>It's fine if Nick wants to run his own Marxist group but people should have a choice about whether or not they want to be associated with his ideas and pay for him to promote them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1152055010713853332006-07-05T11:16:00.000+12:002006-07-05T11:16:00.000+12:00Auckland is voluntary and membership is free so pr...Auckland is voluntary and membership is free so pretty much everybody joins anyway. Very good indeed :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1152012097156330732006-07-04T23:21:00.000+12:002006-07-04T23:21:00.000+12:00That's the argument usually touted about student a...That's the argument usually touted about student associations, but the real answer is to make it voluntary to join. That way people can opt out of joining an organisation that they don't feel is responsive to their views. <BR/>Alternatively if a voluntary association wants to keeps its members it would have to start listening to them a lot more than they do now. <BR/>There is no reason for the existence of the "you're stuck with us so make the best of it" line.Mike Heinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10652966808905365547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1151998879398935372006-07-04T19:41:00.000+12:002006-07-04T19:41:00.000+12:00Nick is a nice guy, a very nice decent guy.And suf...Nick is a nice guy, a very nice decent guy.<BR/><BR/>And sufi, the VUWSA election has a turnout of around 5-10% each year. if people don't vote, and quality candidates don't stand, then who knows what may get in? if you want to change anything, then get involved (if you are a VUW student that is).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1151987072912058542006-07-04T16:24:00.000+12:002006-07-04T16:24:00.000+12:00You know Byron, i think there's hope for you and N...You know Byron, i think there's hope for you and Nick. Wouldn't mind betting you both find your way to the "light side of The Force" someday.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1151983677183515372006-07-04T15:27:00.000+12:002006-07-04T15:27:00.000+12:00I'll confirm the fact that Nick Kelly is indeed a ...I'll confirm the fact that Nick Kelly is indeed a nice chap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-1151920270486146702006-07-03T21:51:00.000+12:002006-07-03T21:51:00.000+12:00Is this the guy who claims to represent every sing...Is this the guy who claims to represent every single student at Vic uni, including Act and National voting students?<BR/><BR/>And isn't it funny that guys like Nick Kelly complain about tuition fees but you never hear them complaining about student association fees.<BR/><BR/>Now why is that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com