tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post3185511099475649569..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: The Kiwi Spy Who Penetrated MoscowTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-7146573985047614712009-08-19T23:41:40.983+12:002009-08-19T23:41:40.983+12:00Buchanan & your comrade relic. Just remember t...Buchanan & your comrade relic. Just remember that it was a two way street. Your organizational structure was penetrated to the highest levels. At one time if the agents within the NZ left had departed many of the groups would have folded like cheap umbrellas. No doubt i sat close by and you just thought that I and many like me were just good comrades. If you only you really knew then you would fully realize that your life would seem so pathetic and wasted. <br /><br /><br />Keep your friends close BUT KEEP YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER<br /><br />It worked like a charm comrade. And continues to work swimmingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-30335508717950048472008-08-17T10:09:00.000+12:002008-08-17T10:09:00.000+12:00You get things partly right Trevor whatever your s...You get things partly right Trevor whatever your sources, (sis/yanks) I assume, but always miss the main point about NZs marxists-they are/were in the vast majority patriots not traitors to their country. Talk about orders from Moscow! It is orders from Washington that give me problems. <BR/><BR/>I was an SUP member, rank and filer, so I generally can pick the fact from your fiction. <BR/><BR/>There were literally hundreds like me recruited via the excellent trade union work done by party comrades in South and West Auckland, industrial Wellington and SI. Honest working people. Sections of the NZ left hated us more than the boss it seemed at times for the revisionist line of the leadership, and for our effectiveness in organising various struggles and united fronts.<BR/><BR/>We were well aware of certain rats on the ship but left them blissfully unaware. Some did eventually draw attention to themselves via their actions for the more politically conscious workers. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately the balance tipped too far towards trade union work and this ultimately paved the way for the partys demise. Its genesis from a CPNZ split lead to a revisionist postition that really doomed the party from the start also looked at from a historic perspective.<BR/><BR/>Luckily for you the NZ left from the CP to the tiniest trotskyist sect have thus far come adrift over international matters and alliegences. <BR/><BR/>This will change again over time as once the Chinese working class get properly organised there will be nowhere left for the capitalist class to run to (shift production to). The basic analysis of Marx Engels and Lenin holds true today. The capitalist system has been more resilient than early socialists ever imagined but don’t let that cheer you up too much Trevor.<BR/><BR/>Smug proclamations of the death of communism don’t seem to have reached the myriad of revolutionary parties the world over. There were a number of failed workers states, this was not communism.<BR/><BR/>The objective conditions of the world today still demand socialist revolution and it will happen despite reactionaries such as yourself gossiping away about the left of 20 years ago. You will always be left outside the shop looking in the windowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-40975536105669207522008-05-01T12:11:00.000+12:002008-05-01T12:11:00.000+12:00Steve the knobspank from Northland is up to his us...Steve the knobspank from Northland is up to his usual tactic of ad hominem attacks rather than engaging with the reasoned arguments of others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-12035459490325566992008-04-11T10:19:00.000+12:002008-04-11T10:19:00.000+12:00Liarbour’s disgraceful anti-nuclear grovel of the ...Liarbour’s disgraceful anti-nuclear grovel of the 1980s was actually a triumph for militant Marxist-Leninism.<BR/>Throughout the Western world, the so-called “peace” movement was always a treasonous hate group founded, funded and directed from Moscow. <BR/><BR/>As Dimitri Manuilsky stated in a lecture to the Lenin School on Political Warfare in Moscow 1931:<BR/>“Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack ... To win we shall need the element of surprise. The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will jump at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clenched fist.”<BR/><BR/>Communists are expert at creating “Popular Fronts” whose apparent purpose attracts the support of the gullible and well meaning, while covertly advancing the Communist agenda.<BR/><BR/>This enables a relative handful of Communists to multiply their effectiveness many times, while sitting back and laughing while those whom Lenin once referred to as “useful idiots” do their dirty work for them.<BR/><BR/>The essential goal of a Communist Front is always hidden behind an ostensible purpose of wide popular appeal. Its Communist puppeteers are well aware of the true agenda, while most Front members see only the smokescreen. <BR/><BR/>A permanent Communist objective was always to tilt the balance of world military power in favor of Communist military strength. Wherever possible, they created a dialectical conflict between “warmongers” and “peaceniks” to achieve this purpose. <BR/><BR/>However, to loudly proclaim the real objective of weakening militarily all those countries opposed to Communism would recruit few supporters in those countries. The “peace movement” therefore needed an announced objective that would accomplish the same purpose, but present itself in a totally different guise. <BR/><BR/>The apparent purpose of the “peace” movement therefore became the preservation of peace in the face of the possible horrors of a nuclear war. Its Communist directors described the demands for disarmament which were to be made to Communist and non-Communist countries alike. <BR/><BR/>They failed to point out that these demands would have no effect in the Communist Bloc because there was no public opinion there that they could influence: the people of the Communist countries couldn’t even find out about these demands unless the Communist Party decided to tell them. <BR/><BR/>The hidden purpose of the “peace” movement was to influence public opinion in free countries whose governments were elected and controlled by the people. The “useful idiots,” satisfied when these demands are nominally extended to all countries, were sold on this magnificent idea and enlisted in the cause. <BR/><BR/>The ultimate goal of those directing the “peace” movement was always to leave the Soviet Union as the world’s only nuclear power. After all, if one side has all the nukes, they can simply go to the other side with the proposition: “Accept our rule or we’ll fry your asses!”<BR/><BR/>To return to our local example, all talk of the Pacific Ocean being a “US Nuclear Lake” failed to point out that the Soviet Union maintained at Cam Ranh Bay, North Vietnam, a far larger flotilla of nuclear powered and nuclear armed ships than the US Sixth Fleet ever was.<BR/><BR/>The “anti-nuclear policy” that removed NZ from ANZUS was indeed a massive triumph for militant Marxist-Leninism, and for our local embedded Commies with the Liarbour Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-54231206270318989612008-04-05T21:54:00.000+13:002008-04-05T21:54:00.000+13:00Anon-No the Alan Ware who went to Moscow now works...Anon-No the Alan Ware who went to Moscow now works for the PSA in Wellington.<BR/><BR/>Alyn Ware is also a highly dogy fellow, but never (as far as I know) in the SUP.Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-4418714454409145122008-03-26T03:20:00.000+13:002008-03-26T03:20:00.000+13:00Thanks Trevor for continuing to speak your truth b...Thanks Trevor for continuing to speak your truth boldly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-328201492253561402008-03-26T03:15:00.000+13:002008-03-26T03:15:00.000+13:00Are crass jokey putdowns really a substitute for f...Are crass jokey putdowns really a substitute for factual rebuttal? Only in the eyes of those who've long lost the ability to distinguish insinuation from actuality.Also note that the more crass and jokey,the more likely to have been penned by Anonymous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-85081247645181896612008-03-25T15:44:00.000+13:002008-03-25T15:44:00.000+13:00Trevor - could the "Allan Ware" mentioned a few pa...Trevor - could the "Allan Ware" mentioned a few paragraphs below the picture of Bill Andersen et al in Moscow be Alyn Ware from the Peace Foundation? Seems likely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-46974587722810889312008-03-23T14:11:00.000+13:002008-03-23T14:11:00.000+13:00you can add me to that list and the venezuelan amb...you can add me to that list and the venezuelan ambassador that visited from australia and the crowds that went to all of his talks<BR/><BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-77759686668057740882008-03-21T14:22:00.000+13:002008-03-21T14:22:00.000+13:00Here you are Trev some more reds for you to profil...Here you are Trev some more reds for you to profile.<BR/><BR/>David Cooper -of Cooper Photography Aucland <BR/><BR/>Sebastian Henschel-Dominion Post Photographer Wellington<BR/><BR/>Jesse Hinchey<BR/><BR/>Hannah Newport Watson.<BR/><BR/>These people are all cohorts of Valerie MorseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-2658575099997065552008-03-21T13:05:00.000+13:002008-03-21T13:05:00.000+13:00if you dont like spies what do you think if thomps...if you dont like spies what do you think if thompson and clark? trevAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-61754301060842864792008-03-20T21:25:00.000+13:002008-03-20T21:25:00.000+13:00Oh deary mehttp://newzeel.blogspot.com/2008/03/che...Oh deary me<BR/><BR/>http://newzeel.blogspot.com/2008/03/chernobyl-orchestrated-to-convince-nz.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-50647452262267169752008-03-20T11:04:00.000+13:002008-03-20T11:04:00.000+13:00"Tens of thousands of Soviet-supporting Marxists a..."Tens of thousands of Soviet-supporting Marxists and fellow travellers moved into CND..."<BR/><BR/>Tens of thousands? Wow, where were they all hiding? Must have been some big beds in them days.<BR/><BR/>"Saying the communists were there as individuals.."<BR/><BR/>Who said that?<BR/><BR/>Hey Trev, a while ago you said "The correct response to evil is ostracism, not engagement" which was a reasonable comment. So what will you do about your boss Rodney Hide backing a Free Trade Agreement with China?<BR/><BR/>Cheers<BR/>SamSam Buchananhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074652659949626273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-82839999675826854652008-03-19T21:58:00.000+13:002008-03-19T21:58:00.000+13:00Think it through Y. Who was minister in charge of ...Think it through Y. Who was minister in charge of the SIS at the time?Trevor Loudonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-55529230630938627402008-03-19T20:58:00.000+13:002008-03-19T20:58:00.000+13:00So the SIS knew ahead of time that these dastardly...So the SIS knew ahead of time that these dastardly commies were trying this on and they were powerless to stop them. Good to see even back then my txes were being used to good effect....<BR/><BR/>Y.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-67727614700421882972008-03-19T15:00:00.000+13:002008-03-19T15:00:00.000+13:00Of course Moscow influenced the peace movement. Te...Of course Moscow influenced the peace movement. Tens of thousands of Soviet-supporting Marxists and fellow travellers moved into CND and other parts of the peace movement. They weren't there for the physical exercise.<BR/><BR/>Saying the communists were there as individuals is like saying Jesuit missionaries actd for their own individual conscience totally separate from Rome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-13244267676275952002008-03-19T11:27:00.000+13:002008-03-19T11:27:00.000+13:00Funny sort of article. After a whole lot of claims...Funny sort of article. After a whole lot of claims that anti-nuke activists told lies (with no instances actually being cited) there's a long ramble about the pro-Moscow SUP controlling trade unions, and the trade unions controlling the Labour party. <BR/><BR/>The same Labour Party that was elected in 1984 and promptly instituted neo-liberalism (Moscow obviously moves in mysterious ways). <BR/><BR/>Next we have lots of stuff about a guy getting trained in Moscow in 1983/4 in order to influence the anti-nuke movement - which was leaving everything a bit late as the movement had by then already established its agenda and methodologies, so its all a bit of a red herring (possibly a pickled red herring given this is Russia. The SUP did once admit to receiving free vodka from the Russian embassy, so perhaps the reds were too pickled to be influential).<BR/><BR/>Then the article completely pulls a rug out from under itself by asserting the ban on nuclear warships came about because of Labour party internal wrangles (with no sign of Marxist influences playing a role) and Lange's inability to set the political direction of the party.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure Moscow would have liked to have influenced the anti-nuke movement, same as I'd like to influence the policies of the US government, but that's a bit different from actually having done so.<BR/><BR/>Cheers<BR/><BR/>Sam BuchananAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com