tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post8992887115304650594..comments2023-11-06T00:01:30.085+13:00Comments on New Zeal: Obama-file 12 Jan Schakowsky-Barack Obama's Loyal Socialist SupporterTrevor Loudonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17040453691836232676noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-83829817027404275052008-07-12T18:31:00.000+12:002008-07-12T18:31:00.000+12:00Interestingly deceptive comments by mr. comrade. ...Interestingly deceptive comments by mr. comrade. Re: the "mild-mannered college professors" in DSA, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn would hardly be considered "mild mannered." Yet, according to the "New Party" archive, they, and Obama, were engaged in New Party activity from 1996; Obama signed a "contract" with them so they would assist him in his election efforts.<BR/><BR/>Re: the "business union", SEIU, see Steve Diamond's blog: globallabor.blogspot.com. A business, only if their business is thuggery and intimidation.<BR/><BR/>Nice try, but disingenuousness won't work. If the DSA is as ineffectual as you claim, how is they managed to field a competitive candidate for the presidency, below the radar, of course? <BR/><BR/>These people are top down, authoritarian left. This isn't a garden party, mr. comrade.Spitfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784033984348471740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-85709778301825990942008-02-11T21:38:00.000+13:002008-02-11T21:38:00.000+13:00That hardly makes Communism anything other than a ...That hardly makes Communism anything other than a political ideology. <BR/><BR/>If overthrowing states qualified as a disease symptom, then most political ideologies (aside from maybe Christian Anarchism or some such) are diseases as well. <BR/><BR/>Libertarianism included since "slashing government to the bone," as this site's host so casually puts it, is tantamount to overthrowing said government.<BR/><BR/>I'll see you a bacterium and raise you a virus. . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-51632562334377764572008-02-11T16:57:00.000+13:002008-02-11T16:57:00.000+13:00"You lot seem to think Communism is some kind of d..."You lot seem to think Communism is some kind of disease as opposed to a section of the political spectrum."<BR/><BR/>Uh, didn't Marx himself outline the sort of description for his followers to take control and overthrow the original state? Didn't you miss his ten plakes or something like that?mah29001https://www.blogger.com/profile/14534560947847502694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-79806501304866458092008-02-11T16:14:00.000+13:002008-02-11T16:14:00.000+13:00Well, mah29001, I wonder what your question has to...Well, mah29001, I wonder what your question has to do with anything I just said?<BR/><BR/>But since you ask, I think the Bible covers this kind of thing pretty well<BR/><BR/>"(Ezekiel 18:20) - The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."<BR/><BR/>You lot seem to think Communism is some kind of disease as opposed to a section of the political spectrum. <BR/><BR/>So the dad had the disease, therefore, his kid gets it? Not a helpful way to look at politics. . .particularly since many a right-winger on the planet is a red-diaper baby. <BR/><BR/>Including quite a few (right) libertarians, one imagines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-26796249952727158592008-02-11T14:01:00.000+13:002008-02-11T14:01:00.000+13:00I wonder how people like you then can explain how ...I wonder how people like you then can explain how Obama's foreign policy advisor-Robert Maller:<BR/><BR/>http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=88&x_article=1437<BR/><BR/>Whose father had a high-ranking position within the Egyptian Communist Party is now Obama's advisor? Robert Maller was also behind the failed Camp David meeting during his time in the Clinton Administration, and now someone like this is advising a major political campaign?mah29001https://www.blogger.com/profile/14534560947847502694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18947592.post-571653274865971342008-02-11T05:30:00.000+13:002008-02-11T05:30:00.000+13:00This is a truly hilarious series. The author clear...This is a truly hilarious series. The author clearly knows very little about American politics or the American labor movement but still feels quite sure that his sweaty-palmed little web research spree is right on target. <BR/><BR/>Aside from the fact that Obama is a careerist corporate politician par excellance--and very much the mirror image of Bill and Hillary Clinton--the author has done nothing more than expose how weak the (in this case tepid reformist) American left is here. <BR/><BR/>There are certainly a few left parties that run candidates, but aside from the Greens (most of whom are not Marxists, but disaffected Democrats), none of the socialist parliamentary formations have run a credible national candidate since the late 1940s.<BR/><BR/>Democratic Socialists of America are a bunch of mild-mannered middle-class college professors who wouldn't make a revolution if someone gave them an army and handed them the keys to the treasury. It has a few thousand members, but only on paper.<BR/><BR/>The Communist Party has been tailing after the Democratic Party for decades and is not even a shadow of its militant past. It has maybe a couple of thousand members. In a country of 300,000,000.<BR/><BR/>Unions like AFSCME and SEIU are no more socialist that the author is, they are primarily what we call "business unions" with a thin veneer of "social justice speak" over their ready willingness to sell workers out to the bosses.<BR/><BR/>So, fear not, it's going to take the American left a long time to even get minor reforms like the kind of universal health that countries like Australia or Canada have, and by that time the U.S. will be broke, and will have taken the global economy down the tubes with us. We'll see how many of you libertarians keep your teenage ideology once you're all unemployed.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and since you're a libertarian, please answer the following question. . .how do you plan to get around after the libertarian revolution when there are no public highways? It's going to be a bit tricky for each non-citizen to keep up the toll booths on their own stretch of "private road," let alone pay all the tolls, eh?<BR/><BR/>Coming soon. . .libertarian civil war. . .the war of all against all. . .enjoy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com