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Friday, May 11, 2007

Kasrils Says Israel is "Worse Than Apartheid"

South Africa is now effectively controlled by the South African Communist Party.

While economic policies are still relatively sound, foreign policy is hard hard left.

South Africa's information Minister Ronnie Kasrils is of Jewish extraction. Unfortunately like most Marxist-Leninists he is militantly anti Israel and pro Palestinian socialism.

With ministers like this, South Africa deserves to lose the rugby this weekend.


From Cuba's La Prensa Latina

Pretoria, May 10 (Prensa Latina) South Africa affirmed on Thursday that the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, with constant air and land raids on Gaza and the West Bank, is worse than the apartheid regime.

South African Information Minister Ronnie Kasrils made his remarks during a UN-sponsored meeting in Pretoria to discuss situation in Gaza and the West Bank, and recalled that ghettos established by the former apartheid regime were never attacked by choppers and tanks, as Palestinian territories are.

The occupation is absolutely worse, said Kasrils, and explained that while no one talks of a fascist state, "it is important to tell the Israeli Government they are acting as fascists when they commit these acts."

The South African official called on the United States and European Union to lift the financial boycott imposed on the Palestine Authority since March, after the creation of a government of national unity.

46 Comments:

Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Well, the apartheid assessment is nothing new Trev. The world's already noted and recorded many manifestations of it.

But I'm glad you raised it. You're such a "fair" libertarian.

Manifestations like women in labour needing urgent medical attention, sitting screaming in agony in the back of a taxi, while checkpoints manned by callow IDF reservists remain closed for four hours. Just closed. No reason. Just closed.

Does Cpt. Superstein - dentist, born in and latterly of NY - Right of Return of course - does he fear that the dying foetus is gonna leap out and chuck a cluster bomb or something ?

Seven hours for a 25 kilometre round trip to pay a debt or go to the market ? Checkpoint closed. Just closed.

"Pass laws" you say Minister ? Well, yes in effect. If not, then cruel, ongoing humiliation, worse for its being wilful and thought clever. I mean, in aggro terms it probably saves The Chickenhawk a couple of Starfighters a year.

One thing is clear though. There are Jewish people who don't buy into fetid zionism with its cruelty and its hatred.

People who don't labour under the moral abomination that Palestinians are relatively inhuman and may rightly be treated so.

Apartheid ? Well said Minister !

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Steve the anti-semite from Northland,

It is obvious from your comment that you are projecting your deep personal guilt over the Anglo occupation of Moari land onto the Jews. Want to know why Jews are the chosen people? Because people like you have chosen them as scapegoats for their own actions.

Give us one example of a nation that is not occupying another ethnic groups ancestral homeland?

You say there is no reason for Israeli border guards to stop ambulances. You are wrong. There have been a number of terrorist attacks where the suicide bomber was transported into Israel in an ambulance. In fact, a suicide bomber came close to killing then Secretary of State Colin Powell a few years ago after being transported in an ambulance. Palestinians should use their own hospitals instead of depending on Jews for their healthcare. But they don't because Arab healthcare is third class throughout the Arab world and Jewish healthcare is the worlds finest whether in New York or Tel Aviv.

You've got to get over your fixation on the Jews. It will just eat you up inside. Jesus would not approve.

12:49 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"One thing is clear though. There are Jewish people who don't buy into fetid zionism with its cruelty and its hatred."

Steve, please look into the mirror into the sort of cruelty you are accepting Steve. You are taking a word from a known individual who was long affiliated with the South African Communist Party who is inviting leaders of Hamas to South Africa to which Hamas TV promoted the Hamasitized version of Mickey Mouse to teach children to hate Israeli Jews and America.

You got to have the gall to suggest that Zionism is evil? You are everything you laud against me from being a "Nazi", "fascist", "holocaust Nazi", etc. You are all those things Steve for you to tolerate someone like Comrade Ronnie to promote Hamas in South Africa, but then suggest Zionism is "evil"?

7:54 AM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

This "chosen people" business exemplifies the insane arrogance underlying it all. And it is the perfect foundation for the apartheid the South African minister aludes to.

"Let Those Palestinians Eat Cake !"

So sit with Holocaust Nazis if you must, go on treating Palestinians as sub-human, but don't snivel and whine, outdoing the caricature, when you're hated.

IDF: 10 Palestinians: 1

Jesus does not approve !

8:09 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"So sit with Holocaust Nazis if you must, go on treating Palestinians as sub-human, but don't snivel and whine, outdoing the caricature, when you're hated."

Enough of you justifying Hamas using its version of Mickey Mouse to encourage Palestinian children to hate Israeli Jews and America Steve. You're certainly exposing yourself to be all the terms you love to laud me. I should really call YOU a HOLOCAUST NAZI for ignoring all the crimes of Hamas because you certainly are such full of hate when you do ignore all of the crimes of Hamas and other similar terror groups.

8:12 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"Jesus does not approve !"

Jesus would not approve of you ignoring Palestinian terrorists like those in Hamas to teach Palestinian children to hate Israeli Jews and America in general.

8:19 AM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Steve the anti-semite from Northland comments "IDF: 10 Palestinians: 1"

So your real complaint is that the Palestinians are incompetent at waging war. When you are losing 10 to 1 it's time to stop and admit defeat. That would be the rational approach of a normal race. But the Palestinians are not normal. The Hamas leadership is very open about the fact that the Jews love life and Muslims love death so victory is assured. Why complain about Palestinian deaths when that is their expressed desire? Fact is the Palestinians as a group are functionally depraved jihad organization. The Palestinians themselves are the biggest victims of their own depraved ideology.

New Zealanders are quite fortunate that a reasonable accomadation was made with the Maori. If the Maori had acted like the Palestinian jihadists you would have exterminated them.

8:29 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Thank you Reid of America. I just gave an example of how Hamas has Hamasitized Mickey Mouse to teach Palestinian children to hate Jews and support Israel's destruction. But Steve turns a blind eye thus also exposing him to be as such an anti-Semite though he would certainly love to deny he is such a thing when his such vile hatred to anyone who dares support Israel really questions just that.

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Steve the anti-semite from Northland comments "So sit with Holocaust Nazis if you must, go on treating Palestinians as sub-human, but don't snivel and whine, outdoing the caricature, when you're hated."

Comparing Jews to Nazis is what separates you being a critic of Israel to being an anti-semite. If Israel actually were a Nazi nation then there would be no Palestinian problem. They would have been exterminated long ago. Since the world for the most part condemns Israel as a genocidal Nazi state I suggest that Israel starts using Nazi tactics to eliminate the burgeoning Palestinian problem. What difference would it make at the UN if Israel actually committed acts they are accused of? Hey, if your being villified as a genocidal Nazi human rights abuser you might as well benefit by putting an end to a implacable enemy existance. That won't happen. Jews are different. They won't exterminate their implacable enemy even though that enemy sworn to exterminate the Jewish state.

9:28 AM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Might have something to do with IDF: 10 Palestinians: 1

Your muse - "...I suggest that Israel starts using Nazi tactics to eliminate the burgeoning Palestinian problem.".....

Hey, way too Freudian For Me Mate !

Truth is, humanity commands oppressed people not to lie down to their oppressors. And they don't. No roses in Baghdad, remember ? The Iraqis declined to appear in The Chickenhawk's B grade epic.

So it is with the Palestinians. The "problem" is "burgeoning" as you say because the Palestinian people are fighting back. I grant you that's heinous in the snivelling zionist mindset - "I hit a man, he hit me back, what a bad man he is". Well tough !......Hey, enough of that snivelling already !

Gosh ROA, what with your subliminal stuff on display like this, well, got me worried it has. And this talk of "problem" - when ya gonna "Freud-it-up" and blurt out "solution" ?

Go The Palestinians !

11:38 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Can't take the heat steve anti-Semite from northland that you do support terrorism and that you are an anti-Semite? Can you Steve? Do you really care about Hamas allowing a Hamasitized version of Mickey Mouse teaching hate to Palestinians?

Let's say you're a white southerner in the U.S. and you ignore the KKK teaching hate about blacks, that'll make you an outright racist wouldn't it? Even if it's right in your face out in the open. The same deal is with the Hamasitized Mickey Mouse teaching hate to Palestinian children to hate Jews and America.

All this reveals is what an anti-Jewish/anti-Semite you really are.

11:54 AM  
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11:54 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Come on Steve, ignoring the Hamasitized version of Mickey Mouse teaching Palestinians to hate Jews is like ignoring a cross burning by the KKK.

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Steve the anti-semite from Northland,

It is obvious that you possess average intelligence at best. Speaking of Freud, it appears your anti-semitism is due to intelligence envy.

Let me explain the latest leftist talking points to someone who should know better. Calling Jews Nazi is out. It comes off sounding like irrational bigoted anti-semitism since the average person knows Israel isn't acting like a Nazi state. Hence the subject of Trevor's post. Israel as Aparthied state. The left was not taken seriously when they labeled Israel as Nazi so they have adapted their public relations campaign to call Israel an aparthied regime. It is more believable to the average world citizen than the Jews are Nazis campaign. Apparantly, leftards such as yourself haven't gotten the message.

Regarding the burgeoning Palestinian problem. Apparently the sarcasm is lost on someone of your limited intelligence so let me explain it to you. How is it possible that the Jews are committing genocide against the Palestinian when their population is exploding (burgeoning)? More than doubling since the Jewish reconquest of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Now you understand the context of burgeoning. Sarcastic not Freudian you leftard.

Now Steve, are you going to continue calling Jews Nazis or are you going to get with the new leftist-Muslim campaign to brand Israel an aparthied state? Why are you wasting valuable internet real estate on Trevor's blog to disseminate outdated, leftarded talking points?

12:03 PM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"In fact, a suicide bomber came close to killing then Secretary of State Colin Powell a few years ago after being transported in an ambulance. Palestinians should use their own hospitals instead of depending on Jews for their healthcare."

Celebrating an attempted/hypothetical murder of someone involved with the Bush administratoin like Powell. That is so typical. And I thought the comments from Opie and Anthony were bad with Condi Rice and Laura Bush.

You also promoting racialism among Palesitnians is also noted on how anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic you truly are steve. That comment of yours on promoting the death of Colin Powell should truly expose where you stand on terrorism. Just grow up, because it sure sounds how child-like you truly are right here to even go about and talk about supporting the death of a U.S. offical like Powell.

Agitators like you who favor terrorism are just as bad as the terrorists in my book.

12:06 PM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"How is it possible that the Jews are committing genocide against the Palestinian when their population is exploding (burgeoning)?"

Reid, Reid, Reid. I mention that to Steve of how the Arab population in general in Israel and in the Palestinian terroritories is GROWING. But Steve just continued to reply how "evil" Israel is, and that I as a Jew who is pro-Israel and a Zionist is a "Nazi", a "Fascist" and other assorted totalitarian terms. This certainly exposes that Steve is an anti-Semite and a Jew-hater and he'll be so insulted as how can anyone come to this conclusion?

Well then, this is just on the same lines as people in the south who happen to be white to ignore a lynching of a man who happens to just be black or even Jewish as in the case with Leo Frank. Apparently to Steve, that's akin to the thinking of an apologist for the KKK as it is with Steve's apologetic attitude toward Palestinian terrorism.

12:11 PM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

You do draw a ridiculously long bow there Mah Old Ten To One. Your biceps must be massive !

Ne'er mind. Hey, what's this big buzz with Mickey Mouse ? Speaking to Minnie just the other day over at Gaza Checkpoint 7.

She reckons he's a fine Palestinian fulla that Mickey. And fecund.....Boy ! More people prepared to fight back I guess. Sort of necessary in these times of "I hit him, he hit me back, the bad fellow...." With the resulting activation of the zionist reflex, you know, The Ratio, 10:1

Hope you guys not planning a campaign to control Palestinian fecundity anytime soon. Deja vu on that front ain't pretty.

Hey Mah, it was ROA said the Colin Powell brush with death stuff, not me. Read Reid 'afore ya squeak chap ! Don't think he was clapping about it at all, just being distrustful of ambulances. Me, I didn't say a word.

2:59 PM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

ROA - sarcasm don't come off when you feel obliged to explain it.....it's a bit like trying to re-eat your kai, your food.....doesn't work.

3:10 PM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Steve, you're the perfect example of an anti-semite in plan site. Ignoring the Hamasitized Mickey Mouse of teaching Palestinians to hate Israeli Jews is just right on the lines of ignoring a lynching by the KKK or a cross burning by the KKK. By that account you'll also be a racist too.

1:34 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"Ne'er mind. Hey, what's this big buzz with Mickey Mouse ? Speaking to Minnie just the other day over at Gaza Checkpoint 7."

Hamas is using Mickey to teach Palestinians to hate Israeli Jews and Americans. This is certainly right on the lines of ignoring a KKK style cross burning or a KKK style lynching to which you Steve are guilty of doing so in this episode of a Hamasitized Mickey teaching Palestinian children messages of hate.

2:09 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"it is important to tell the Israeli Government they are acting as fascists when they commit these acts."

Uh, didn't KKK David Duke stated how Israel is a "Nazi country" while he supports holocaust denial and the Nazification of the Palestinian people through supporting terrorism? Yea, the KKKer David Duke is right on those lines as Comrade Ronnie.

Sort of a Red-Brown Alliance to put it.

2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve from Northland is a twat.

Let's examine the antecedents of Yasser Arafat and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

THE REAL YASSER ARAFAT
The Real Yasser Arafat

It is often said that the truth is one of the first casualties of war. This is certainly the case with regard to Palestinian Authority chairman, Yasser Arafat.

Arafat once declared Jerusalem his birthplace: "This is my city . this is where I was born." But he was not born in Jerusalem. Nor, as some of his comrades have claimed, was he born in the Khan Younis refugee camp in Gaza; but in Cairo, Egypt, in 1929.

Arafat presents himself to the world as a victim of Zionism who only took up arms because he lost his home and worldly goods when the Israeli state was created. While it is true that his parents came from Palestine, it is important to note that they were not "refugees" or "exiles." They had simply moved to Egypt in the mid-1920s, more than two decades before the state of Israel came into being in 1948.

Arafat then lived in Cairo until age 28 and identified as an Egyptian. He first became involved in radical politics in 1951 while a student at Egypt's Fuad University, working as a student organizer for the Marxist-Leninist Moslem Brotherhood.

One of the goals of the Brotherhood was to infiltrate the Islamic fundamentalist movement, in order to spread among Arabs the Soviet propaganda claim that Israel was an outpost of US imperialism. This would destabilise the Middle East, aid anti-American regimes into power, and build up Soviet influence in the region.

In 1956 Arafat, along with fellow Marxist-Leninists Salah Khalef and Khalil al-Wazir, attended the Soviet-run Prague World Festival of Youth where they formed the nucleus of the terrorist Al Fatah. This radical cell would later become the core of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO).

Arafat first came to public prominence in the West after the 1967 Arab-Israel war, with the help of the Soviets and their media stooges. He was one of the organisers of a 1972 conference held at the Baddawi refugee camp in Lebanon that established what international terrorism expert

Yossef Bodansky refers to in his book Target America as "an alliance of progressive movements and terrorist organizations." Besides the PLO, this would include terrorist cells from Europe and the Third World.

This conference institutionalized international left-wing terrorism directed from the Kremlin, intended to undermine Israel and the West and lead to socialist victory.

The makers of the US documentary "The Russian Connection" interviewed several PLO members and were told that in the 1970s, no terrorist attack on Israel would occur without first being cleared with the Soviets.

The PLO itself boasted of Arafat's regular weekly meetings with Soviet Ambassador Alexander Soldatov. The Soviets, according to the documentary, supported the PLO with arms, training, planning and propaganda.

These planned attacks were not military actions, but the killing of innocent civilians. They continue to this day in the wave of cowardly suicide bombings splashed across newspapers all over the world. The strategy is that Israel can be defeated and destroyed by the terrorist murder of as many Jewish men, women and children as possible.

In his ongoing use of terrorism, Yasser Arafat continues to employ political methods learned from his Soviet masters, displaying a consummate mastery of the Marxist-Leninist tactic of "dialectical materialism."

For Marxist-Leninists, as Mao Tse-Tung puts it, "There is nothing in this world but matter in motion." The material world is made up of a thesis (the status quo) and an antithesis (the change agent, or revolutionary). Out of the clash between these two opposites, a new socialist society will one day be born.

In an operational sense, the revolutionary rolls back the status quo wherever possible and gives ground wherever the status quo holds firm.

Hence, the dialectic is best understood in terms of the analogy of a hammer hammering in a nail. The hammer smashes down onto the nail, driving it further into the wood. At that point the force is expended and no further progress towards the goal is possible. The hammer then draws back and re-gathers its force before smashing down again. Marxist-Leninists therefore view any retreat or concession as merely temporary and tactical.

The Palestinian Arab leadership employs the dialectical tactic of "peace" and/or violence, often offering both at the same time, at strategically advantageous points on the road to its ultimate goal of destroying the Israeli state.

What are the roots of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Within hours of the historic 1948 United Nations decision to create a Jewish state, Israel was attacked without warning by six Arab nations promising to complete Hitler's work. Despite repeated assurances from Jewish leaders that all non-combatants would remain unmolested, many Palestinian Arabs then fled to refugee camps in Lebanon and the Gaza strip, at that time part of Egypt.

They expected to return to their homes in a few days once the Arabs armies were victorious. But the unthinkable happened. The Jews won. Ever since that time, the Palestinian Arab leaders have kept their people trapped in squalid refugee camps as a political weapon.

This demonstrates Yasser Arafat's mastery of another Marxist-Leninist political tactic, "The National Question." Based on the works of Lenin, Marxist-Leninists have for decades encouraged the independence aspirations of indigenous peoples and minority groups to bring about the overthrow of the existing social order, and eventual socialist control.

Arafat's Soviet instructors soon helped him to see that world opinion could be mobilised behind his cause if the refugees became "Palestinians" rather than Arabs. By becoming "Palestinians," the Arabs succeeded in turning the Arab-Israeli conflict from a war of annihilation against the Jews into a struggle of dispossessed natives against colonialist invaders.

On all the evidence, Yasser Arafat is no Palestinian nationalist. He is a professional Soviet-trained revolutionary who has hooked into a group of people with a grievance and seamlessly shaped them into a political force in the pursuit of his socialist nightmares.

While the Soviet Union and its Evil Empire has imploded and Moscow is no longer the epicenter for world socialist domination, the political strategies set in motion by the Soviets decades ago continue to find expression in the present-day Arab-Israeli conflict.

The barrier to co-existence between Israelis and Palestinian Arabs, most of whom want peace and economic prosperity, is a Palestinian Arab leadership wedded to Marxist-Leninist ideology and endorsed in its hatred, division and violence by Western intellectuals of the same stripe who are perennial cheerleaders for the destruction of a free society.
ENDS

LATEST ARAB LEAGUE "PEACE" PROPOSAL"
The Arab League’s recent Middle East peace proposal demands not only a right for any Palestinian Arab to make his home in the new Palestinian State that the peace plan proposes, but insists on an equal right for Palestinians to live in Israel proper.

This would require Israel to accept millions of Palestinian Arabs who would relocate into Israel itself, rather than making their homes in the newly created Palestinian State.

The 1948 war that led to the Palestinian Arab displacement began within hours of the historic United Nations decision to create a Jewish homeland and (it should be noted) the same Palestinian state that the Arab League now demands as the price of “peace.”

Israel was attacked without warning by five Arab nations who refused to accept an independent Jewish state in their midst. Despite repeated assurances from Jewish leaders that non-combatants would remain unmolested, many Palestinian Arabs fled to refugee camps in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, at that time part of Egypt.

They expected to return to their homes in a few days once the Arabs were victorious. But the unthinkable happened. The Jews won. Ever since that time, the Palestinian Arab leaders have kept their people trapped in squalid refugee camps as a political weapon, rather than encouraging them to migrate to other Arab countries where they could make new homes.

The Arab League and the United Nations currently count some 4.3 million Palestinian Arabs as "refugees" or the descendants of refugees.

This must rule out Arab claims of Israeli "genocide," since the 700,000 Palestinian Arab refugees of 1948-9 have evidently multiplied by some 600% in less than 60 years.

It should also be noted that only a small minority of the refugees (and of the Palestinian Arab population in general) were actually land-owners. Most were tenant farmers or "fellahin." Others were urban tradesmen, many of whom had arrived only recently in the area from Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon, drawn by the economic opportunities presented by the surging Jewish population in the early part of the 20th Century. The idea that the great-great-grandchildren of such arrivals possess any ancestral right to re-occupy homes and land in Israel is risible.

The Arab League’s insistence on a "right of return" shows that the Arabs still refuse to accept Israel as a sovereign nation entitled to control its own destiny. They are effectively demanding not one Palestinian Arab homeland, but two: one east of the Jordan, the other west of it.

The ludicrous "peace proposal" requires Israel to give up two of the basics of national existence: the right to control entry into the country, and the right to define citizenship. Without that ability, Israeli sovereignty is rendered effectively meaningless.

Israel’s Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, clearly articulates the core issue. "Just as Israel is the homeland for 800,000 Jewish refugees who fled or were expelled from Arab countries, so a new state of Palestine should be the homeland for Palestinian Arab refugees."

If the Palestinian Arabs will negotiate peace based on getting their own homeland, they get to decide who lives in their new state, but they don't get to decide who lives in the neighbouring state of Israel. Why have a "two state solution" if the Palestinian Arabs insist upon a similar "right" to live in both states?

Israel’s current population of 7.1 million comprises 76 percent (5.396 million) Jews, 20 percent (1.42 million) Arabs, and four percent (284, 000) Christians and others. Based on current birth rates the Jewish majority is already shrinking because Arab families are reproducing almost three times faster than their Jewish counterparts.

The “right of return” demanded by the Arab League would soon lead to Jewish Israel being swamped demographically. Admitting millions of descendants of displaced Palestinian Arabs means that within a few decades, Israel would cease to exist. An Arab majority would simply overrun the dwindling Jewish population, using the mechanisms of Israeli democracy to create a single, united Palestinian Arab state without even a shot being fired.

Israel is right to reject such a proposal.
ENDS

12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey MAH

Can I ask you a few questions? Did you know Uriel Zosche Kelman and Eli Cara? (Israelis) They were caught here (in 2004) trying to obtain passports using a birth certificate from a tetraplegic with cerebral palsy. They are Mossad and were spying on our country .. why? (They went to prison here for three months for that crime) And do you know about a former Israeli diplomat Zev William Barkan (I think he was actually an American) who pissed off when the above two were arrested? And somebody called Tony Resnick? Who pissed off as well.... Do you know these people MAH?

Do you think that is OK MAH? (And no I am not anti-semite Reid from America and MAH does actually have his own blog in America that nobody ever posts on) Israel did finally apologise for those "citizens" from Israel.

Why MAH were they spying on us?

We have all kinds of people in Aotearoa and mostly we all live together and care about each other ...Jewish and Muslim, Maori and Pakeha, Pasifika, English, Scottish,Irish, South African etc etc.

Good on you if you can answer these questions.

Cheers

HAM

9:45 PM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Anonymous,

I don't have a blog.

Please enlighten us why Israel would would spy on such a righteous nation such as NZ.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Well written. By someone. Not, I venture, by Anonymous above. Oh, the internet is a wonderful thing is it not ? Particularly when under the digits of those skilled enough to deploy "cut and paste".

There are such skilled folk you know - look at Mah. How else could he possibly "repeat" line after line of one's post right back at one ? Without spelling errors ?

Reminds me of the "constructed" sophistry I used to get from the US Information Service over 40 years ago. When I was a callow cheerleader for US crimes in another country against another people - Vietnam.

Eyecatching in the homilie above, are the following planks:

Commies were always behind the resistance anyway ("...oh well, ask no further...);

A Palestinian state can never be allowed because Arabs breed too quickly (...do I hear a hint of a "solution" ?);

It is preposterous to the point of offensiveness that descendants of displaced Palestinians plead the Right of Return ("...but yes of course, Palestinians are not as human as Jews...and far too fecund...");

Anyone seeing a monstrous, humanity defying, double standard here, viz. Jewish people constitutionally "having" the Right of Return - "...well... that person would "have" to be an anti-semite... and a commie...!"

Nice try Anonymous but you shed no light on the reasons for IDF: 10 Palestinians: 1

Actually, maybe you do. It is clearly wilful, advised policy. Chilling really. And you wonder why I refer to undoubtedly the most horrific period in recent history, in conjunction with the name of its perpetrators ?

Worse, you, not me, lead the discussion from apartheid to genocide. How excellently subliminal is that ?

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

My Dear Good Forces of zionism, Mah, ROA, Cut and Paste, et al: I've been watching some old-time television, you know - just some light relief from the travails of my chats with you fullas.

Ever noticed how uncannily The Chickenhawk resembles that much-loved wag of yore, Maxwell Smart ? Yes, him of the shoe-phone, the magnificent malapropism.

I guess fact can be stranger than fiction but it's pretty bold of the American public to make such a spectacle its president, you think ?

7:58 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Steve the illiterate from Northerland.

Can you read Steve on the information given about Arafat? If all you can do is promote baseless and pathetic propaganda and attack anyone who dares disagree with you, well, you are a twat, you are an apologist to Palestinian Nazis and Fascists.

9:01 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"Why MAH were they spying on us?"

Listen HAM, I am not an Israeli citizen, I'm an American citizen and no I am not spying.

All this exposes is what an anti-semitic twat you are.

9:02 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

And here I am being lectured by people like Steve, HAM and others how Communism, the Mocscow-Beijing military pact being allied with neo-Nazis and Fascists are not a threat.

But when someone who is pro-Israel logs on and is assumed to be an Israeli citizen by anti-Semitic/anti-Jewish/anti-Israeli Lefties. What can I say? The only fools who are looking for whatever is under everybody's beds are you anti-Semitic neo-McCarthyite Lefties. Pardon me to Trev as he may take offense of me stepping over the line, but I think he should be stepping over the line of other people who promote anti-Semitic/anti-Jewish leanings into stating how I was a "spy" or "spying" on far lefties. Just because I happen to be a Jewish American and pro-Israel.

This is just as bizarre as referring Protestwarrior.com to be a "CIA-front group".

9:06 AM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Steve the anti-semite from Northland,

You still haven't answered my question from my first comment. Give me an example of a nation that is not occupying anothers ethnic homeland?

So apparently it's moral for the British to occupy Maori land. France and Spain to occupy Basque land. Russia to occupy 100 ethnic homelands. USA to occupy native lands, etc, etc... But it isn't acceptable for Jews to reconquest their ancient homeland which was deeded to them in the Bible.

So your standard for Jews which is post-modern moral perfection. All other ethnic groups are exempted from the standard you apply to Jews.

When the British"occupiers" and Maori fought during the 19th century was the death count 10 Maori to 1 British or was it much higher?

Get over the Palestinians. They are depraved losers and the people who back them are half-wit losers and moral degenerates.

Yes Steve, only a moral degenerate supports the Palestinians.

9:26 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"So apparently it's moral for the British to occupy Maori land. France and Spain to occupy Basque land. Russia to occupy 100 ethnic homelands. USA to occupy native lands, etc, etc... But it isn't acceptable for Jews to reconquest their ancient homeland which was deeded to them in the Bible."

Reid. Don't bother Steve with facts. You may also want to add how Mao occupied Tibet and oppressed the Muslims in what is now Western China. Guess that's okay with Steve. Mao used even more horrible tactics of reconquest of what use to be Chinese territory at one part of China's history. I guess it must also be okay for the most brutal dictator of modern history to do just that.

9:32 AM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Mah,

It's a much deeper situation than the few examples raised in this post. I have searched for an example of a nation that is not occupying land using the standard of Israel occupying Palestine. There are close to 200 countries in the world and only Iceland possibly is a non-occupation nation. I say possibly because the Vikings may have exterminated local arctic tribes the way the Polynesians exterminated the Huna when they invaded and conquered Hawaii in the 12th century.

The people who are pro-Palestinian have one standard for Jews and another for everyone else. A perfect example of the chosen people syndrome.

Steve,
When you hand the title of your property over to the Maori(I realise being a leftist you may not own property) and move back to your ancestral homeland you will no longer be a hypocrite.

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Now here I am being exactly like the self proclaimed zionists on this blog - quoting their words right back at them:

From ROA above (in caps to assist the short-sighted): "GET OVER THE PALESTINIANS. THEY ARE DEPRAVED LOSERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO BACK THEM ARE HALF-WIT LOSERS AND MORAL DEGENERATES."

Nice !!!

Very, very 30s Reichstag Mein Fuhrer.

Unwittingly you've proved my point - Holocaust Nazis ! Just listen to yourself.

And I suggest you get yourself rather better informed before, in typical "We fascists know it all !" style, you start nutting on about New Zealand and Maori.

What can be said as a preliminary remark however is that were second New Zealanders a bunch of snivelling "me, me, me" zionists, there wouldn't by now be any Maori in New Zealand. They would have been despatched as DEPRAVED LOSERS.

And while you're about checking out that truism you might make some enquiry about Prime Minister "Bonsai" Howard's Australia. And the way that country treats Aboriginal people.

Yes, Bonsai is a staunch ally of your president Maxwell (The Chickenhawk) Smart.

So do some study Honey. Talk to me again when you know something worth knowing.

Until then - Ka Kite !

3:53 PM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Steve the Unintellgent Anti-Semite from Northland,

You are certainly exposed to be quite brainwashed. You have no desire to promote freedom of expression or have a rational debate. In fact, your crazy rants remind me of the way Adolf Hitler or any of his supporters would shout down their opponents as they tried to make a rational point. Doesn't matter if it's someone like me or Reid or anyone else.

In fact, those in the Party for Socialism and Liberation who shouted down the Minutemen also remind me of Hitler and the Nazis. You Steve are the only one who deserves to be lauded all the hateful terms you do with your opponents.

You can not stand how much of a loser you really are if all you do is go on the Internet and make these unintelligent rants and shout downs. I don't want to offend Trev [parton in advance], but it seems like I may have to suggest that even a five-year-old could make a better argument than you Steve with the sort of attitude you have toward anyone else who dares disagree with you.

You are the only fascist, apologist holocaust Nazi here who does not even give a damn to what's going on with the very people you are proclaiming to defend such as the Palestinians. Do you care Steve of Mickey Mouse being used to encourage Palestinians to embrace terrorism among other things hate Jews, America and the West? Do you Steve?

Having you Steve ignore this, is also right on the lines of a white racist in America ignoring all the segragation laws that are in plan view as blue as the sky. Shame on you.

4:01 PM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Mah, short enquiry - where the hell is Northerland ? Checked my passport. Never been there as far as I can tell.

They got cable, Fox, '56 Bel Airs ? Don't wanna know unless.

4:05 PM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Oh Mah, I've tried and I've tried and I've tried but I just can't get up a sweat about Mickey Mouse. Anyway, Minnie reckons he's fine, so what's the bad buzz ?

Strange how your pretensions to "debate" should be supported by unending reference to Dear Old Mick.

Work with me Mah.....stay with me now: "1 2 3, a figment Mickey is he, 4 5 8, zionists must not hate".

There, you a happier wee fulla now Mah ? Feel your bile excreting away do you ? That's the one !

4:30 PM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Knock it off Steve. YOU are the one who needs to learn anger mangement.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Where in God's, Maxwell Smart's, The Chickenhawk's name, did we get anger management from Darling ???

You're being very subliminal again Cpt. Superstein ! You give too much away Babe.

8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

REID did you actually read my post? This is what I said "And no I am not anti-semite Reid from America and MAH does actually have his own blog in America that nobody ever posts on" ...I wasn't talking about you!

MAH
"Listen HAM, I am not an Israeli citizen, I'm an American citizen and no I am not spying.

All this exposes is what an anti-semitic twat you are."

How come on your blog you say you are pro Israel, pro America and a Zionist? And anti-commie of course! I did not accuse you of spying I asked you some questions which you seem unable to answer.

I am not "anti-semitic twat" how rude you silly old fart - so are you REID. Oh my goodness two silly old farts from America. Can't read, can't spell eg "anger mangement" (MAH) and are very rude "twats" themselves. And certainly you two silly old twats have no sense of humour or debate at all!

Ka kite ano

HAM

PS I can "cut and paste" too!
PSS Reid we actually have a Treaty us tangata whenua and pakeha do you? Bet you can't answer that either Reid!

10:32 PM  
Anonymous Reid of America said...

Anonymous says "Reid we actually have a Treaty us tangata whenua and pakeha do you? Bet you can't answer that either Reid!"

Israel has the Madrid and Oslo accords with the Palestinians. The Palestinians agreed to accept Israels right to exist as a Jewish state, end violence and end incitement to violence which will lead to a Palestinian state. The Palestinians have not adhered to their promises to the world. If the Maori signed the treaty with NZ and then went on killing rampage and rejected NZ right to exist what would be the Anglo response?

As for the original subject of this post, Israel as aparthied state. The President of Israel is a Palestinian muslim. Israeli Arabs (Palestinians) have the highest education and highest lifespan in the muslim world. They also have the highest standard of living in the muslim world except for a handful of tiny Gulf Shiekdoms. So the Palestinians who have agreed to live in peace with Israel are prospering. The Palestinians who want to exterminate the Jewish state are living in a hell of their own making.

12:14 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"I am not "anti-semitic twat" how rude you silly old fart - so are you REID. Oh my goodness two silly old farts from America. Can't read, can't spell eg "anger mangement" (MAH) and are very rude "twats" themselves. And certainly you two silly old twats have no sense of humour or debate at all!"

You are the rude one HAM for accusing me of being an Israeli spy or leading toward that assumption. That is on the lines of anti-Semitism as also thinking how Cathlocs in power will be "controlled" by the Pope.

I'm putting my foot down on anyone who dares accuse me to be such things.

3:58 AM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

Get it right Mah. Ham did not, I repeat, did not, call you a spy. The mention was of Israeli Mossad spies gaining entry to New Zealand with bogus passport documentation. For which the Israeli ambassador apologised, for what that was worth.

So read the post properly before you leap into that stereotypical whine - "Oh me zionist, oh me put upon, oh me victim, oh you anti-semite" routine - while maintaining that Israel's Holocaust Nazi elements can engage any sort of inhumanity.

Where are you putting your foot down Mah - your throat ? You're a Holocaust Nazi and I have no sympathy for you whatsoever.

6:38 AM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

"Where are you putting your foot down Mah - your throat ? You're a Holocaust Nazi and I have no sympathy for you whatsoever."

Strange this is coming from someone who denies Hamas using Mickey Mouse to recruit Palestinian children to hate Israeli Jews and America. The only holocaust Nazi right here Steve seems to be YOU for your outright denial of the brutality of hate that Palestinian terrorists are indoctrinating Palestinian children.

I have not seen the Israelis indoctrinate their children to hate Palestinians, or have an Israeli Mickey Mouse teach Israeli children to hate Palestinians and the rest of the Arab World. But when it comes to Hamas using Mickey Mouse to indoctrinate Palestinian children to hate Israeli Jews and America, I'm a "holocaust Nazi" for pointing that out?

"So read the post properly before you leap into that stereotypical whine - "Oh me zionist, oh me put upon, oh me victim, oh you anti-semite" routine - while maintaining that Israel's Holocaust Nazi elements can engage any sort of inhumanity."

You're quite inhumane for ignoring Palestinian terrorists teaching hate to Palestinian children. I simply point out other analogies of where you would be lauded to be a racist in the south if you were a white Southerner ignoring cross burnings, lynchings and segregation laws endorsed by the KKK as being on the lines of YOU ignoring Hamas using Mickey Mouse to train children to teach hate and become future terrorists. But I'm a "holocaust Nazi" for pointing that out? Really.

Look in the mirror Steve. You're the one who is all those horrible terms you laud your opponents to be when it comes to ignoring the crimes of the very people you defend. Why not give humanity to the Palestinian children and CONDEMN Hamas using Mickey Mouse to teach them hate? Would a "holocaust Nazi" like me be so concern of the humanity of the Palestinian children to point out Hamas using Mickey to teach them hate? You ought to look in the mirror sometime when you ignore this episode, but call others who point that out to be "holocaust Nazis" while you, the Holocaust Nazi turns a blind eye to this.

6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again MAH and Reid, I'd ask you not to attempt to 'debate' anything with 'steve'.

His mind is diseased and it's quite clear from reading his posts that this is so.

EXOCET

7:53 AM  
Anonymous Steve Nice Guy Northland said...

HEY GUYS - MAH AND ROA - OH, MAYBE TREV TOO - ORANGE ALERT FROM YOUR "BLOGSPHERE" MINDER EXOCET. JUST HANGIN' OUT IN HIS "NEW ZEAL" SWEATSHIRT'N'CAP - $15.99 AT TE WA RE WHARE:

DON'T TALK TO MAD PEOPLE MAD PEOPLE MAD DON'T PEOPLE...MAD DON'T TALK TO MAD PEOPLE !!!

YOU'LL END UP COMPARING YOURSELVES VERY UNFAVOURABLY. YEAH, COMPARED TO THE THE MAD PEOPLE. AND IT MIGHT HURT YOUR SOUL.....V SAD.

C'MON MAN, IF YOU CAN'T WORK THAT ONE OUT.....YOU'RE MAD !


PUKUKATA TITOI !!!

10:11 PM  
Blogger mah29001 said...

Steve, you clearly do not know how close you are to being a Communist. The CPUSA recently parrotted Putin's comments on how anyone in the West that dares supports the U.S., Britain, France, Australia policies are "fascist".

You're clearly brainwashed Steve, and the more you bury your head in the sand and use totalitarian tactics to attack anyone else you disagree with to be a "fascist", a "holocaust Nazi", you are more of a Communist everytime you promote it, since you seem to love to promote their rhetoric.

5:31 AM  

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